The Deal's Not Done
08-12-2019 | 05:36 PM
#71
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Ah yet another story that will have to change within a few months. Let’s assume that the company continues hiring at the rate they have since February 1, when the big new goal was set. About 33 new hires per month. How many months will they average on property? Let’s use 40. 40 x 33 is 1320. With a few hundred lifers lurking around the numbers have to go up.
It is great that so many XJT pilots are seeking career advancement. That should be the goal for everyone.
I hope it continues.
It is great that so many XJT pilots are seeking career advancement. That should be the goal for everyone.
I hope it continues.
Sad, actually. There’s a lot of good people still at XJT stuck in the quicksand.
08-12-2019 | 10:08 PM
#72
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The many reasons I stated were mainly career progression inhibitors that were outside of their control. Clearly people are going to chase the money and QOL when it comes to where they want to be. There’s nothing particularly exciting or fulfilling being the CA of a 145 for 20 years going back and forth from IAH to BTR. Gets a little dry after a while.
Again though, put yourself in their shoes.
- never been an FO (maybe 2 months max)
- making a consistent 6 digit income
- probably have kids that are in or have gone to college
- only 5-6 left before retirement
- Have had airline flight benefits for the family for the last 20 plus years
Lots things about ones life that you really can’t blame them for. Forfeiting your flight benefits to be an FO again while going through a tough training program that barely pays the bills where you will be back on reserve making at least 30% less for the next 2-3 years, again makes no sense. Not an ideal solution for everyone.
Again though, put yourself in their shoes.
- never been an FO (maybe 2 months max)
- making a consistent 6 digit income
- probably have kids that are in or have gone to college
- only 5-6 left before retirement
- Have had airline flight benefits for the family for the last 20 plus years
Lots things about ones life that you really can’t blame them for. Forfeiting your flight benefits to be an FO again while going through a tough training program that barely pays the bills where you will be back on reserve making at least 30% less for the next 2-3 years, again makes no sense. Not an ideal solution for everyone.
08-20-2019 | 11:44 AM
#73
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Would you encourage a pilot friend to join ExpressJet? We have a feeling many of you would say no. We're working on our days off, we're rerouted or reassigned on most every trip, training backups extend new hire training for months and management continues to dangle the carrot of a career at United despite most qualified ExpressJet pilots never getting there. These broad experiences are a deterrent, but personal stories of how the mismanagement of our company have affected you are a stronger story.
We're asking ExpressJet pilots to submit their personal testimonials of training delays, missing important personal events because your schedule was changed, missing out on the United CPP after years of chomping at the carrot, threats of calling in sick going on your permanent record and anything else that has disappointed you in your ExpressJet career. We'll use these de-identified stories on our social media channels, digital ads and in our Deal's Not Done campaign (you will remain completely anonymous). Send your stories to.... The Deal's Not Done!
We're asking ExpressJet pilots to submit their personal testimonials of training delays, missing important personal events because your schedule was changed, missing out on the United CPP after years of chomping at the carrot, threats of calling in sick going on your permanent record and anything else that has disappointed you in your ExpressJet career. We'll use these de-identified stories on our social media channels, digital ads and in our Deal's Not Done campaign (you will remain completely anonymous). Send your stories to.... The Deal's Not Done!
08-21-2019 | 08:19 AM
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12 August 2019
Fellow Pilots,
Friday's update from the company was yet another example (in writing) of managemqent's complete disregard for the abysmal conditions they have created on the line. Day after day, week after week, and month after month, our management team continues to demonstrate their refusal to improve the working conditions of front-line employees and their lack of aptitude for fixing the mess of an airline they have created, much less their ability to write an email that resonates with the pilot group, as it appears this last update was supposed to do.
Management continues to laud the number of conditional job offers they have given out this year, despite the fact that this, in no way, shape or form, indicates potential for effective growth. What really matters is putting pilots in airplanes, and of the 500 job offers given out by the company, only about 50% of those start and remain in class, and of those who have started class in 2019, 74% are still in training because mismanagement of the training center has extended the new hire training footprint to up to five months.
While our recruiters are working hard to bring pilots in the door, management is working even harder to kick pilots out as attrition continues to outpace hiring. At the end of July we were down 34 pilots on property since January of this year, and the sheer number of pilots stuck in new hire training means there are 256 fewer pilots currently flying the line than in January. Pilots are fleeing this airline and your MEC has no reason to tell them to stay. Growth at ExpressJet would begin in an instant if management put half the effort into making pilots want to stay here as they do recruiting pilots with half-truths and outright lies.
In order to continue to increase class sizes, the company suggests everyone should "solicit your friends" to come work at ExpressJet by giving a word-of-mouth testimonial.
Perhaps new hires can give testimony of showing up for sims only to have them cancel because no instructors are available, or they can detail still being in training for months while their friends, hired at other airlines at the same time, are already out flying the line and making more money.
Perhaps the 15-year captain can give testimony about being on reserve for the better part of a decade.
Perhaps all captains can give testimony about their hourly pay rates being the second lowest in the regional industry.
Perhaps all first officers can give testimony about their hourly pay being the third lowest in the regional industry.
Perhaps the captain who upgraded a year ago can give testimony about being less senior in base than they were six months ago because this airline continues to shrink, and about the fact that they fly in the right seat almost as much as they do in the left.
Perhaps the 25-year lineholder captain can give testimony about contractually-illegal reassignment attempts every time they transit a hub airport.
Perhaps the reserve pilot can give testimony about being rolled into their days off multiple times per month, and when they ask for their day off to be restored, that request is denied.
Perhaps the non-phone-liable pilot (that's all of us, by the way) can give testimony about being called in for discipline for not answering their phone on a trip.
Perhaps the pilot on a 10-hour overnight can give testimony about being called by the hotel's front desk personnel asking them to call Crew Scheduling.
Perhaps a majority of our pilots can give testimony about not being successful in the CPP, or being denied in the final review process despite meeting all the published program requirements, or waiting for more than two years for a second attempt at passing the Hogan that they may never see.
Perhaps the new hire, who was told the CPP was a "direct path to United" can give testimony about learning the truth only after they were on property.
Perhaps the pilot who called in sick can give testimony about the weight they now feel because of the company email stating that even their excused sick calls would be now reported to United, potentially jeopardizing their career advancement potential.
Perhaps the pilot who turned in a doctor's note to their chief pilot can give testimony about being called in to explain their sick call, despite their adherence to the company's Attendance and Reliability Program.
Perhaps our ALPA volunteers can give testimony about the 11 grievances currently filed because of blatant, continued and deliberate contract violations.
Perhaps pilots who voted in favor for Contract 2018 can give testimony about being lied to by management in order to rush a contract.
Perhaps our flight attendants can even give testimony about being given two sub-par contracts to vote on.
Perhaps our mechanics can give testimony about entering mediation because their working conditions are as poor as ours and their value is not recognized.
Perhaps it's time for the XJT MEC to begin sharing our pilots' stories about what it is really like to work for our airline. Potential pilots, flight attendants and mechanics should know the facts and make an informed decision before hiring on at ExpressJet.
Yes, it is that time.
Do you have an experience you'd like to share with pilots who want testimony about ExpressJet? Please send your testimonies to....
The deal is not done!
Fellow Pilots,
Friday's update from the company was yet another example (in writing) of managemqent's complete disregard for the abysmal conditions they have created on the line. Day after day, week after week, and month after month, our management team continues to demonstrate their refusal to improve the working conditions of front-line employees and their lack of aptitude for fixing the mess of an airline they have created, much less their ability to write an email that resonates with the pilot group, as it appears this last update was supposed to do.
Management continues to laud the number of conditional job offers they have given out this year, despite the fact that this, in no way, shape or form, indicates potential for effective growth. What really matters is putting pilots in airplanes, and of the 500 job offers given out by the company, only about 50% of those start and remain in class, and of those who have started class in 2019, 74% are still in training because mismanagement of the training center has extended the new hire training footprint to up to five months.
While our recruiters are working hard to bring pilots in the door, management is working even harder to kick pilots out as attrition continues to outpace hiring. At the end of July we were down 34 pilots on property since January of this year, and the sheer number of pilots stuck in new hire training means there are 256 fewer pilots currently flying the line than in January. Pilots are fleeing this airline and your MEC has no reason to tell them to stay. Growth at ExpressJet would begin in an instant if management put half the effort into making pilots want to stay here as they do recruiting pilots with half-truths and outright lies.
In order to continue to increase class sizes, the company suggests everyone should "solicit your friends" to come work at ExpressJet by giving a word-of-mouth testimonial.
Perhaps new hires can give testimony of showing up for sims only to have them cancel because no instructors are available, or they can detail still being in training for months while their friends, hired at other airlines at the same time, are already out flying the line and making more money.
Perhaps the 15-year captain can give testimony about being on reserve for the better part of a decade.
Perhaps all captains can give testimony about their hourly pay rates being the second lowest in the regional industry.
Perhaps all first officers can give testimony about their hourly pay being the third lowest in the regional industry.
Perhaps the captain who upgraded a year ago can give testimony about being less senior in base than they were six months ago because this airline continues to shrink, and about the fact that they fly in the right seat almost as much as they do in the left.
Perhaps the 25-year lineholder captain can give testimony about contractually-illegal reassignment attempts every time they transit a hub airport.
Perhaps the reserve pilot can give testimony about being rolled into their days off multiple times per month, and when they ask for their day off to be restored, that request is denied.
Perhaps the non-phone-liable pilot (that's all of us, by the way) can give testimony about being called in for discipline for not answering their phone on a trip.
Perhaps the pilot on a 10-hour overnight can give testimony about being called by the hotel's front desk personnel asking them to call Crew Scheduling.
Perhaps a majority of our pilots can give testimony about not being successful in the CPP, or being denied in the final review process despite meeting all the published program requirements, or waiting for more than two years for a second attempt at passing the Hogan that they may never see.
Perhaps the new hire, who was told the CPP was a "direct path to United" can give testimony about learning the truth only after they were on property.
Perhaps the pilot who called in sick can give testimony about the weight they now feel because of the company email stating that even their excused sick calls would be now reported to United, potentially jeopardizing their career advancement potential.
Perhaps the pilot who turned in a doctor's note to their chief pilot can give testimony about being called in to explain their sick call, despite their adherence to the company's Attendance and Reliability Program.
Perhaps our ALPA volunteers can give testimony about the 11 grievances currently filed because of blatant, continued and deliberate contract violations.
Perhaps pilots who voted in favor for Contract 2018 can give testimony about being lied to by management in order to rush a contract.
Perhaps our flight attendants can even give testimony about being given two sub-par contracts to vote on.
Perhaps our mechanics can give testimony about entering mediation because their working conditions are as poor as ours and their value is not recognized.
Perhaps it's time for the XJT MEC to begin sharing our pilots' stories about what it is really like to work for our airline. Potential pilots, flight attendants and mechanics should know the facts and make an informed decision before hiring on at ExpressJet.
Yes, it is that time.
Do you have an experience you'd like to share with pilots who want testimony about ExpressJet? Please send your testimonies to....
The deal is not done!
08-21-2019 | 10:03 AM
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08-21-2019 | 12:12 PM
#80
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Joined: Jul 2013
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From: CRJ200 CA
Well, he did help smoothly dismantle the ASA side of XJT, with little to no disruption of the operation during the winddown, so I say he gets a big fat Skywest gold star!!
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