Mid October class
10-11-2019 | 06:50 AM
#141
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It pains me to rain on the recruiters parade, but the lines have been reducing year over year. Let's make sure we give the new hires the actual facts.
Lines in EWR
Sept 2016 114 lines
Oct 2016 120 lines
Nov 2016 113 lines
sept 2017 87 lines
oct 2017 83 lines
Nov 2017 83 lines
sept 2018 70 lines
oct 2018 69 lines
Nov 2018 75 lines
sept 2019 63 lines
oct 2019 58 lines
Nov 2019 56 lines
Lines in EWR
Sept 2016 114 lines
Oct 2016 120 lines
Nov 2016 113 lines
sept 2017 87 lines
oct 2017 83 lines
Nov 2017 83 lines
sept 2018 70 lines
oct 2018 69 lines
Nov 2018 75 lines
sept 2019 63 lines
oct 2019 58 lines
Nov 2019 56 lines
10-11-2019 | 06:52 AM
#142
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Well I’d agree that there are seasonal reductions in the fall. However, if you look back this year there’s a different story to tell.
Let’s take Chicago, for instance,
December 2018 - 65 lines
January 2019 - 61 lines
February 2019 - 60 lines
March 2019 - 60 lines
April 2019 - 55 lines
May 2019 - 53 lines
June 2019 - 55 lines
July 2019 - 53 lines
August 2019 - 53 lines
September 2019 - 51 lines
October 2019 - 49 lines
It’s almost like there’s a distinct pattern here.
For the uninitiated here, the “lines” represent actual schedules that are bid on by pilots every month. If you’re too junior to hold a line, then you’re going to be on reserve. Reserve is bad. Also, when the amount of lines available are reduced every month, you’re basically moving away from a hard line when you should be moving toward it. Just being honest.
Let’s take Chicago, for instance,
December 2018 - 65 lines
January 2019 - 61 lines
February 2019 - 60 lines
March 2019 - 60 lines
April 2019 - 55 lines
May 2019 - 53 lines
June 2019 - 55 lines
July 2019 - 53 lines
August 2019 - 53 lines
September 2019 - 51 lines
October 2019 - 49 lines
It’s almost like there’s a distinct pattern here.
For the uninitiated here, the “lines” represent actual schedules that are bid on by pilots every month. If you’re too junior to hold a line, then you’re going to be on reserve. Reserve is bad. Also, when the amount of lines available are reduced every month, you’re basically moving away from a hard line when you should be moving toward it. Just being honest.
10-11-2019 | 08:39 AM
#143
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10-11-2019 | 09:11 AM
#144
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Attrition not covered by new hires = reduced block hours/line. Just a fact of life for the last few year's.
Management is happy with folks leaving, but has not come to the table yet to address contract improvements. Until we improve the contract, we arent too attractive to recruits. OTOH, we just awarded 80 something CA slots for the 175 in ORD. That was not expected...
Management is happy with folks leaving, but has not come to the table yet to address contract improvements. Until we improve the contract, we arent too attractive to recruits. OTOH, we just awarded 80 something CA slots for the 175 in ORD. That was not expected...
10-11-2019 | 09:47 AM
#145
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Just looking at whats publicly out there I would venture a guess that ExpressJet could very easily end up an all 175 fleet at the cost of MESA unfortunately for them. I think any United owned 175 is going to ExpressJet. CommutAir will take all the 145s it can staff and ExpressJet will end up with about 100+/- 175 air frames total. This is probably why they are not freaking out with the shrinking of the pilot list just yet. MESAs CRJ700s will all be converted to 550s and probably sent to GoJet ( unless MESA owns them??).
I am even going to wager this will all happpen by mid to late 2021. United just has way to many untied strings blowing in the air right now for major shift in flying not to happen. Once United gets a better handle on what the new pilot contract is going to be they will fully pull the trigger.
Just my opinion looking at it from a pure business prospective.
I am even going to wager this will all happpen by mid to late 2021. United just has way to many untied strings blowing in the air right now for major shift in flying not to happen. Once United gets a better handle on what the new pilot contract is going to be they will fully pull the trigger.
Just my opinion looking at it from a pure business prospective.
10-11-2019 | 09:55 AM
#146
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10-11-2019 | 09:57 AM
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Just looking at whats publicly out there I would venture a guess that ExpressJet could very easily end up an all 175 fleet at the cost of MESA unfortunately for them. I think any United owned 175 is going to ExpressJet. CommutAir will take all the 145s it can staff and ExpressJet will end up with about 100+/- 175 air frames total. This is probably why they are not freaking out with the shrinking of the pilot list just yet. MESAs CRJ700s will all be converted to 550s and probably sent to GoJet ( unless MESA owns them??).
I am even going to wager this will all happpen by mid to late 2021. United just has way to many untied strings blowing in the air right now for major shift in flying not to happen. Once United gets a better handle on what the new pilot contract is going to be they will fully pull the trigger.
Just my opinion looking at it from a pure business prospective.
I am even going to wager this will all happpen by mid to late 2021. United just has way to many untied strings blowing in the air right now for major shift in flying not to happen. Once United gets a better handle on what the new pilot contract is going to be they will fully pull the trigger.
Just my opinion looking at it from a pure business prospective.
10-11-2019 | 10:05 AM
#148
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If management is unhappy about it, they have nobody to blame but theirselves.
10-11-2019 | 10:33 AM
#149
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They aren’t worried about attrition. Recruitment is another story.
10-11-2019 | 10:40 AM
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