Originally Posted by Varsity

I left flying in 2010 and went into a backup career. Flying didn't make sense. Came back in 2016 when it started to make sense again.

People who fly no matter what the pay is create the over supply crisis and drive pay into the dirt. Had more people left as opposed to 'pay their dues', the industry would have come back sooner and stronger than it did.

Originally Posted by SureJetz

It’s simple supply and demand. Not going to respond to what you wrote because it makes no sense and is yet another way you try and belittle the pilot profession down in order to gain leverage.

There’s many reasons why pilots are worth more than the joke money they were paid before and it’s not all related to retirements.

Supply went down due to the 1500hr rule in addition to the word getting out about the poor working conditions industry wide and the long time it takes to get Return On Investment. This hit the mainstream after the Colgan air crash.

Demand has gone up due to retirements but this is not the only thing driving pay.

People are not as quick to be payed nothing after acquiring 1,000 - 1,500hrs of flight time. They have more skin in the game.

Those carriers who cannot provide incentive to attract new hires will go away. This is a combination of work rules, pay and career advancement.

Great Lakes is a prime example of this.

Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf

You just literally like to start arguments. We are saying the exact same thing you just have a problem with the way I’m saying it.

When I say you are what you are worth what you cost to replace that means that pay had to be increased to attract more people to the industry. Pilots left, had to be replaced, and because the market didn’t have any pilots willing to be paid the previous rates the pay had to go up. Hence, we are worth what we cost to replace.

As far as what the pay was previously and whether or not you deserved more, you were willing to do it for that. No one forced you. That’s the way a free market works. Supply and demand. Same exact concept.

Originally Posted by flynd94

But you are getting paid and get a nice bonus. Remember to be humble. Many went before without our being paid in training, no bonus, paying for their own training and this was just 10 years ago.

Originally Posted by Southern Fried

We are NOT worth what we cost to replace. Worth is the wrong term. We are worth much more than what we can realistically get on any contract.
We will get what we can negotiate. Contract '04 is a good example of that. We had short-term leverage over management and we used that to improve several cost items in the contract.
All of you parroting what dsps threw out here as worth need to think about his management tactics trying to shape what we think.

Originally Posted by Crewandcrew611

Is this what the airline world is everyone complaining about a contract from a question that had nothing to do with a contract

Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf

You are a body filling a seat.

Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf

Google the definition. I get what you are saying, but I’m referring to the actual definition, which is dollar value. You are getting paid X because someone is happy to have for job for X if you don’t want it anymore. I can’t understand why everyone is so anxious to be offended.