Nope, never said that either. We all deserve better than what is currently offered. I was a steadfast advocate for trip/duty rigs and other quality of life improvements to C’04. I did my part as a LEC Rep, union volunteer, flew my contract, didn’t make bubba deals and attempted to educate new FO’s.

My point was is made for an interesting trip when some new hire complains how rough they have it, under paid and etc. about bad as someone coming about a min rest overnight of 10 hours.

 

Don’t recall saying I had it rough. While it’s great that things have improved significantly since your day, saying we deserve per diem during training is not out of line. Other regionals have it (PSA) so it’s not out of line. The contract at xjt is sub par, and needs improvement in a lot of areas.

It’s rich that you say you want to see improvements, and fought for such, but when someone (me) mentions something that’s missing I’m told to shut up and be humble. As another poster said it’s exactly why things won’t improve, because people (you) took it so willingly for so long, that when a new group comes along and wants improvements, we’re seen as arrogant because you suffered silently.

Also funny that you came here to admonish me and got owned by everyone else in the comments.

 

Harsh reality for everyone: it’s not what you are worth, it’s what you cost to replace. You are a body filling a seat.

 

The harsh reality “Subodh” is that you are in fact a total hack that should be running a used car lot instead of an airline.

You complain that the union is pushing people away but yet you fail to grasp that your comments are doing far worse.

You love to shoot the messengers. People aren’t stupid, they see through it all.

Thing is that you seemed to be more realistic lately with the PR and less divicisive with the pilot group. You can’t help yourself from lashing out I guess. Sad

 

Do you get paid during the ATP/CTP class?

 

Sorry if you are offended. But the fact remains that the reason the industry pays better today is because of retirement at the top creating a lot of vacancies. These vacancies are filled from the regionals which then have their own vacancies to fill. Pay had to be increased to attract more people to the industry. We all got paid more not because of what we were worth, which hasn’t changed, but because of what we cost to replace. Regardless of how harsh it may sound, it is very factual.

 

It’s simple supply and demand. Not going to respond to what you wrote because it makes no sense and is yet another way you try and belittle the pilot profession down in order to gain leverage.

There’s many reasons why pilots are worth more than the joke money they were paid before and it’s not all related to retirements.

Supply went down due to the 1500hr rule in addition to the word getting out about the poor working conditions industry wide and the long time it takes to get Return On Investment. This hit the mainstream after the Colgan air crash.

Demand has gone up due to retirements but this is not the only thing driving pay.

People are not as quick to be payed nothing after acquiring 1,000 - 1,500hrs of flight time. They have more skin in the game.

Those carriers who cannot provide incentive to attract new hires will go away. This is a combination of work rules, pay and career advancement.

Great Lakes is a prime example of this.

 

No, the reason pay went up is because the youngsters said to hell with flying as a career. The embry riddles, and und’s were having trouble attracting students after the 1500 rule. The gen x’ers smartly said I’m not going to build 1500 hours to be paid $20k on the other end.

 

You are making a lot of assumptions. When most of us were hired at Xjet the pay and contract rules were the best in the regional industry. I had offers from 3 other regionals but none of them came close (including SKW) so I choose Xjet.

Then came age 65, recession and the dark decade. Then we were dismantled by SKW bit by bit. So don’t think we didn’t try to improve what we had. I didn’t vote for concessions in 08, I was furloughed but I went to road shows urging pilots to vote no.

When I returned I became a LEC Rep and fought the BS from ATL. I continued the fight on the contract compliance team. Defending our CBA as ATL attempted reach arounds. I was a adamant critic of the failed JCBA. Helped recall LEC reps who attempted to give us a sale job.

We all fought hard, just be humble, thankful to those who came before you get what you have now. Who helped lay the ground work for future improvements.

 

I left flying in 2010 and went into a backup career. Flying didn't make sense. Came back in 2016 when it started to make sense again.

People who fly no matter what the pay is create the over supply crisis and drive pay into the dirt. Had more people left as opposed to 'pay their dues', the industry would have come back sooner and stronger than it did.