175 Bait and Switch
02-27-2020, 06:09 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
No doubt about it. This is definitely good for our pilot group. And thankfully our MEC is not out trying to encourage people not to come here. In my opinion doing that allows the company to blame the union for the lack of new hires and hampers negotiations. When the lack of new hires is brought on by the company itself (getting rid of the shiny new jets) they will be asking us to schedule the meeting to re-negotiate the contract. This puts us in a position of actual strength instead of a ****ing match. We are in a good position right now. When the company comes to the table we need to settle for nothing less than very significant gains. Anything short of that we should not hesitate to vote down. Envoy plus one or GTFO
The pilots don’t need to do anything to push new hires away. The loss of the 20 new 175’s to Mesa and our remaining new airplanes on property is doing a good job of that on it’s own.
02-27-2020, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
No doubt about it. This is definitely good for our pilot group. And thankfully our MEC is not out trying to encourage people not to come here. In my opinion doing that allows the company to blame the union for the lack of new hires and hampers negotiations. When the lack of new hires is brought on by the company itself (getting rid of the shiny new jets) they will be asking us to schedule the meeting to re-negotiate the contract. This puts us in a position of actual strength instead of a ****ing match. We are in a good position right now. When the company comes to the table we need to settle for nothing less than very significant gains. Anything short of that we should not hesitate to vote down. Envoy plus one or GTFO
02-27-2020, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CPPfacts
You have really changed.
Not really. I want the company to grow and be successful. That hasn’t changed. However I can sincerely say the ball is now firmly in our court. It simply wasn’t before. Letter 2 was a lob shot that the company spiked down our throats and crying like a bunch of babies wasn’t going to fix that, no matter how we got there. Now it’s truly our turn. We have an opportunity coming up that we cannot take lightly. It doesn’t come along that often. We are about to truly be in a position to force the company to pay up or become the next TSA. And if we play our cards correctly the company will have the real opportunity to attract new hires, grow and be successful. I don’t think we can underestimate the company’s stupidity in this. We must not budge on getting the best contract in the industry period. It is our only path to success as a pilot group and as a company. It’s going to be like punishing your child. They may fight you tooth and nail and push back with tenacity, but in the end you have to be the responsible adult and do the right thing for everyone.
02-27-2020, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
No doubt about it. This is definitely good for our pilot group. And thankfully our MEC is not out trying to encourage people not to come here. In my opinion doing that allows the company to blame the union for the lack of new hires and hampers negotiations. When the lack of new hires is brought on by the company itself (getting rid of the shiny new jets) they will be asking us to schedule the meeting to re-negotiate the contract. This puts us in a position of actual strength instead of a ****ing match. We are in a good position right now. When the company comes to the table we need to settle for nothing less than very significant gains. Anything short of that we should not hesitate to vote down. Envoy plus one or GTFO
02-27-2020, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
Not really. I want the company to grow and be successful. That hasn’t changed. However I can sincerely say the ball is now firmly in our court. It simply wasn’t before. Letter 2 was a lob shot that the company spiked down our throats and crying like a bunch of babies wasn’t going to fix that, no matter how we got there. Now it’s truly our turn. We have an opportunity coming up that we cannot take lightly. It doesn’t come along that often. We are about to truly be in a position to force the company to pay up or become the next TSA. And if we play our cards correctly the company will have the real opportunity to attract new hires, grow and be successful. I don’t think we can underestimate the company’s stupidity in this. We must not budge on getting the best contract in the industry period. It is our only path to success as a pilot group and as a company. It’s going to be like punishing your child. They may fight you tooth and nail and push back with tenacity, but in the end you have to be the responsible adult and do the right thing for everyone.
By in large pilots just want to be paid a fair wage, be treated with a modicum of respect and have some semblance of job security.
The atmosphere went from a wedding to a wake when those 175’s were pulled. Gonna be difficult to build back and trust after that.
02-27-2020, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR
The atmosphere went from a wedding to a wake when those 175’s were pulled.
What really blows my mind is how UA ALPA actually sat back and watched a fellow United Express ALPA company in TSA go under, throw their pilots out on the street and allow UA to continue to reward non-union SkyWest! XJT and TSA (both ALPA) both got screwed in this deal. If there aren’t big changes here then we are next on the chopping block. If this is how’s its going to be then why in the heck are we paying union dues?!
Last edited by UnitedExpress; 02-27-2020 at 08:32 PM.
02-27-2020, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by UnitedExpress
You can say that again!
What really blows my mind is how UA ALPA actually sat back and watched a fellow United Express ALPA company in TSA go under, throw their pilots out on the street and allow UA to continue to reward non-union SkyWest! XJT and TSA (both ALPA) both got screwed in this deal. If there aren’t big changes here then we are next on the chopping block. If this is how’s its going to be then why in the heck are we paying union dues?!
What really blows my mind is how UA ALPA actually sat back and watched a fellow United Express ALPA company in TSA go under, throw their pilots out on the street and allow UA to continue to reward non-union SkyWest! XJT and TSA (both ALPA) both got screwed in this deal. If there aren’t big changes here then we are next on the chopping block. If this is how’s its going to be then why in the heck are we paying union dues?!
02-28-2020, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR
Not that simple but I think you worded it that way to belittle and belabor the point.
By in large pilots just want to be paid a fair wage, be treated with a modicum of respect and have some semblance of job security.
The atmosphere went from a wedding to a wake when those 175’s were pulled. Gonna be difficult to build back and trust after that.
By in large pilots just want to be paid a fair wage, be treated with a modicum of respect and have some semblance of job security.
The atmosphere went from a wedding to a wake when those 175’s were pulled. Gonna be difficult to build back and trust after that.
What was belittling about what I said?
Last edited by tomgoodman; 02-28-2020 at 06:30 AM. Reason: Insult
02-28-2020, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR
Endeavor +1. No flow here or large RJ’s. That’s worth a significant amount in itself.
The pilots don’t need to do anything to push new hires away. The loss of the 20 new 175’s to Mesa and our remaining new airplanes on property is doing a good job of that on it’s own.
The pilots don’t need to do anything to push new hires away. The loss of the 20 new 175’s to Mesa and our remaining new airplanes on property is doing a good job of that on it’s own.
02-28-2020, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by UnitedExpress
You can say that again!
What really blows my mind is how UA ALPA actually sat back and watched a fellow United Express ALPA company in TSA go under, throw their pilots out on the street and allow UA to continue to reward non-union SkyWest! XJT and TSA (both ALPA) both got screwed in this deal. If there aren’t big changes here then we are next on the chopping block. If this is how’s its going to be then why in the heck are we paying union dues?!
What really blows my mind is how UA ALPA actually sat back and watched a fellow United Express ALPA company in TSA go under, throw their pilots out on the street and allow UA to continue to reward non-union SkyWest! XJT and TSA (both ALPA) both got screwed in this deal. If there aren’t big changes here then we are next on the chopping block. If this is how’s its going to be then why in the heck are we paying union dues?!
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