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Old 07-27-2020 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by terks43
Correct, 145 is not, however the 200 still is, even though most pilots aren’t actively trained on it anymore it’s still on the 121 certificate so if Mesa needed it it would be a pretty quick spin up.
Or if the deal was sweet enough they could reactivate the freedom cert with The 145 on it . Probably not likely but possible.
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Old 07-27-2020 | 07:47 AM
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We all keep talking about voting, who’s to say the Union doesn’t decide for us? I don’t see how you push out something for the whole pilot group to read and review in under a week.
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Old 07-27-2020 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
Or if the deal was sweet enough they could reactivate the freedom cert with The 145 on it . Probably not likely but possible.
No we have scope protection. Did JO sell that cert?
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Old 07-27-2020 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
Or if the deal was sweet enough they could reactivate the freedom cert with The 145 on it . Probably not likely but possible.
More misinformation. Or should I call it Mesanfomation. Anyway - Mesa scope clause prevents separate certificate operation under MAG.
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Old 07-27-2020 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by UnitedExpress
I still have 35 years left in this career so if it comes down to it I’ll vote for concessions to preserve my company if it comes with guaranteed flying. Our Jurassic seniority list has had 40 years to make their money and move on. The ole timers will likely vote No because their careers are almost over and they have nothing to lose at this point. Not me, I still have a future ahead of me and a reduced income is better than no income because no one is hiring for the foreseeable future. Flame away...
Yeah and I hope you get to live with those concessions for a very long time
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Old 07-27-2020 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32

Keep in mind these are the same "wunderkinds" who didn't think another downturn could be possible with how great things were going and told every Captain they flew with they would be at a Major in 2 years, now they will be working at Home Depot. Unfortunately I most likely will be one of those people, but full pay to the last day is the stance to take.
if not for an unforeseen pandemic, they were right. This wasn’t on anybody’s radar as a potential roadblock.
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Old 07-27-2020 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NovemberBravo
No we have scope protection. Did JO sell that cert?
I tried to figure that out. Mesa and Delta jointly owned the certificate. I was unable to ferret out the current status.
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Old 07-27-2020 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeFO
he just doesn't get it.
It's not that he doesn't get it. It's that he disagrees. Different values. 'If only he knew what I knew, then he'd agree.' Yeah right.
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Old 07-27-2020 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I tried to figure that out. Mesa and Delta jointly owned the certificate. I was unable to ferret out the current status.
I think they keep one or two planes on it to keep it warm. An used cert will lapse.
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Old 07-27-2020 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
Eh, it's really not. Crossing a picket line and voting in a concessionary contract both serve personal interest at the expense of other pilots. One is considered scabbing and the other isn't, but both are selfish maneuvers that come at a cost to the industry.
protect junior pilots from furlough and hold the line against the company:

Keep full pay to last day. ALPA increases dues to 20% of paychecks. Junior pilots get furloughed. Senior pilots are paid the full amount by the company. ALPA gives the extra 18% to furloughed pilots.

Endgame is that the payrates never went down, but pilots are taking home what they would if they had given in to severe concessions. Furloughs allow the company to survive, pay rates are not compromised, and instead of forcing the junior pilots to act in self-interest at the expense of the industry, they are taken care of by their bretheren in unity and fraternal sacrifice.

"quit acting in your self-interest, you're hurting the industry" is a lot easier to swallow if the people saying it are making up the difference out of their own paychecks.
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