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07-27-2020 | 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by threeighteen

Even if that’s true, still not a valid excuse to vote in a concessionary contract.

No amount of willpower, solidarity, or dogma can change macroeconomic forces. Face it, regional feed has been a commodity for quite a while now. The same thing will be true of majors some day, and they'll eventually face similar pressures. If the all-important road warriors have permanently changed their travel behaviors, then of course it'll happen sooner.
By far the industry's best days are behind her. In my view all us little people are arguing with each other about how to delay the inevitable. And yes, I've been planning my exit for years. I was waiting for the perfect shot before I took it, so COVID is just helping me along.

07-27-2020 | 09:59 AM

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if not for an unforeseen pandemic, they were right. This wasn’t on anybody’s radar as a potential roadblock.

I disagree...every 10-12 years something happens to upset this industry. Nobody knew it would be a pandemic or that it was going to be this dramatic, but anyone that’s been in this business for more two minutes knew something was going to happen. This is how we end up with lifers at the regionals - **** happens, and suddenly years pass.

This business is affected by everything. It has always been volatile and always will be. One more thing - there never was a real pilot shortage and there never will be. That’s what I think anyway.

07-27-2020 | 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NovemberBravo

No we have scope protection. Did JO sell that cert?

The FAA pulled it. Doesn't exist anymore.

07-27-2020 | 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by airspeedsalive

This business is affected by everything. It has always been volatile and always will be.

Yes. Most folks didn't expect the next cycle to be this bad, the retirements would have absorbed a routine downturn.

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One more thing - there never was a real pilot shortage and there never will be. That’s what I think anyway.

Maybe not for the top jobs. Came close this time, ULCCs were starting to hurt... and that's a good living long-term by any standard.

07-27-2020 | 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FNietzsche

It's not that he doesn't get it. It's that he disagrees. Different values. 'If only he knew what I knew, then he'd agree.' Yeah right.

Only slightly correct. He knows what we know, he simply has made a value judgment that he’d rather accept ANYTHING to keep his job than to stand in solidarity with the profession. It’s not a matter of knowing something profound, it’s about seeing the bigger picture and being willing to move the profession forward. But hey, if stagnant and/or declining wages for decades is what you are aiming for, by all means.

Major carriers have cartelized the industry, if you let them force you into a race to the bottom you get what you deserve, and they will cash the checks. A cartelized industry deserves cartelized labor, quit selling yourself and everyone else short.

07-27-2020 | 11:45 AM

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if not for an unforeseen pandemic, they were right. This wasn’t on anybody’s radar as a potential roadblock.

9/11 was unforseen. So was the housing collapse to many except an astute few. The point being is you never really see the next down turn coming so always be prepared and don't be so oblivious.

07-27-2020 | 12:16 PM

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9/11 was unforseen. So was the housing collapse to many except an astute few. The point being is you never really see the next down turn coming so always be prepared and don't be so oblivious.

Thats true, but neither 9/11 or 2008 came even close to having a sudden and sustained 75-90% drop in air travel, 4 months after the fact.

$10 TRILLION dollar hit to our nation to save 200,000 lives. Sorry if it sounds cold, but $50 million per life isn’t worth the economic destruction of our nation. History will not be kind to how we reacted to this event.

07-27-2020 | 12:27 PM

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So out of interest, what is the value, as disgusting as this is to say, in good ole American dollars of a human life for you. For an 80 year old? For a 5 year old? Because I’m willing to bet if you then had to answer that about yourself that answer would be priceless. You don’t want to die. What makes you think anyone else would? So go on, what’s the price of your life?

07-27-2020 | 12:50 PM

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So how many lives do we have to harm in order to so called “save lives”.
Then we need to ban all activities that cause people to die also? What’s next every time the flu season is bad that kills 50k-80k do we need to quarantine and close businesses for that. Cause it sure will save a few lives if you do. If we all stayed home and didn’t drive you know how many lives would be saved from car crashes?