What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
08-22-2014 | 05:28 PM
#7021
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I said we are not required to have a cell phone, not that we don't have cell phones. It is for our convenience, not the other way around. Otherwise they would have to pay for it. If someone doesn't get a hold of scheduling through the company provided 800 number and just doesn't show up, I expect him/her to be fired for job abandonment. How do you think people did this before cell phones?
As a commuter, it can be the difference between commuting a day before or the day off. If I have to be at the crew room computer one hour prior, that can be as much as 30 minutes extra you need to give yourself and many times that means commuting a day early only because you have to walk to and from the crew room.
As for pay and raises, I'm not planning on working here forever. And I'm actively working on changing pay for the better. Meaning more compensation and better QOL. Changing it to require me to check in is like changing my turbofan to turbojet. Do you see the difference? No check in, just as turbofans, work and has worked. So why do you want us to go from our turbofan to your turbojet?
I'll concede this one thing. This is not a big issue but if they want me to check in, they will have to pay for it in other areas of the contract. This is true in almost every section of the contract. They want me to give something up, they have to give me something in return that is better. No concessions and One List or nothing!
As a commuter, it can be the difference between commuting a day before or the day off. If I have to be at the crew room computer one hour prior, that can be as much as 30 minutes extra you need to give yourself and many times that means commuting a day early only because you have to walk to and from the crew room.
As for pay and raises, I'm not planning on working here forever. And I'm actively working on changing pay for the better. Meaning more compensation and better QOL. Changing it to require me to check in is like changing my turbofan to turbojet. Do you see the difference? No check in, just as turbofans, work and has worked. So why do you want us to go from our turbofan to your turbojet?
I'll concede this one thing. This is not a big issue but if they want me to check in, they will have to pay for it in other areas of the contract. This is true in almost every section of the contract. They want me to give something up, they have to give me something in return that is better. No concessions and One List or nothing!
I'm making the point that while this is small, the ERJ guys are making this into a big deal.
FAR from the most time off.
08-22-2014 | 05:35 PM
#7022
Da Hudge
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What airlines specifically? Even so, if we don't do it any it's been working for almost ten years, why would we want to required that for the other 2/3 of our pilots? This is but one small QOL concession among many other huge ones that one side is ok to have the other take. When it should be the other way around!
08-22-2014 | 10:33 PM
#7024
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From: doggy style
ASA MEC on the conference call telling lies, creating division, saying the ERJ side is going to wind down...
"We wish we could just impose our will on them."
-ASA MEC Chairman
"We wish we could just impose our will on them."
-ASA MEC Chairman
08-23-2014 | 03:24 AM
#7025
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From: CRJ200 Capt.
08-23-2014 | 06:15 AM
#7026
Line Holder
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From: Left Seat
AnchorDown
08-23-2014 | 06:38 AM
#7027
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Well, they can't put that many on ready reserve because our contract has limitations on ready reserve. But having four ready reserves a day is reasonable and prudent. Look, our contract has been like this for almost 10 years and only once Skywest bought us has our performance been an issue. So it's obviously not a problem with our contract. So why should we give up not having to check in (and a multitude of other bigger things), just so the company can get over on us? Because you have to and therefore we must take that concession as well? Here is an idea, instead of you guys trying to bring us down to your contract, why don't you help us try to bring you up to our contract?
So yeah, if you perceive that to mean that we want to do whatever we want (we don't we just like our work rules the way they are), then that's your issue for you to get over.
So yeah, if you perceive that to mean that we want to do whatever we want (we don't we just like our work rules the way they are), then that's your issue for you to get over.
Our show time is one hour before departure time. We are not required to have mobile phones, computers, or any devices. So if they want to change our schedule, they either get a crew tracker or Cheif pilot to notify us in person or more than likely, you don't see your name on the release. Which at that point you are required to contact scheduling. It's been this way for almost 10
years with no detriment to completion factor.
What airlines specifically? Even so, if we don't do it any it's been working for almost ten years, why would we want to required that for the other 2/3 of our pilots? This is but one small QOL concession among many other huge ones that one side is ok to have the other take. When it should be the other way around!
years with no detriment to completion factor.
What airlines specifically? Even so, if we don't do it any it's been working for almost ten years, why would we want to required that for the other 2/3 of our pilots? This is but one small QOL concession among many other huge ones that one side is ok to have the other take. When it should be the other way around!
I just can't imagine why you were almost out of business when WE BOUGHT YOU, and your side has cost us a 9 figure sum since. Yes, fall on your swords and waste negotiating capital with contract items NOBODY else in the industry has. Great idea.
08-23-2014 | 07:44 AM
#7028
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From: e190
This shouldn't have to be said to someone in your position but you are demonstrating a lack of knowledge about the united operation. This was/is the same lack of understanding that lead to the downfall of our management team. We aren't an airline with one hub. We don't fly for delta. This isn't a delta operation, doesn't work like a delta operation, and you aren't dealing with delta managers. The sooner you realize you don't understand how United operates the sooner you can start learning.
We tried checking in years ago and it was a nightmare. Both management and our union gave it up because it just didn't work. Saying every other airline does it means nothing. Does every other airline have crew rooms a mile walk away from their normal gates? Does every airline operate up to 2000 flights a day? No! So stop using the same broken, ill conceived excuses that our management tried. If you had any idea what you were talking about on this it would be a no brainer.
We tried checking in years ago and it was a nightmare. Both management and our union gave it up because it just didn't work. Saying every other airline does it means nothing. Does every other airline have crew rooms a mile walk away from their normal gates? Does every airline operate up to 2000 flights a day? No! So stop using the same broken, ill conceived excuses that our management tried. If you had any idea what you were talking about on this it would be a no brainer.
08-23-2014 | 07:55 AM
#7029
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From: e190
Xjt's management wants to keep comparing themselves to other regionals and running it as such but the reality is we are an operation that cannot operate like a regional with 30 airplanes. We have a route structure, multiple bases, and a very different way of doing business on two sides of XJT's operation. We are more complex than many LCCs and are right up there with legacies when it comes to operational issues.
The mickey mouse hour is over. Promoting pilots and flight attendants to "manage" isn't cutting it. They wanted a super regional and created a behemoth of an airline that cannot be run like a regional. Step one is never using the word regional when referring to XJT. Step two is getting people that understand why step 1 is necessary in positions of power.
The mickey mouse hour is over. Promoting pilots and flight attendants to "manage" isn't cutting it. They wanted a super regional and created a behemoth of an airline that cannot be run like a regional. Step one is never using the word regional when referring to XJT. Step two is getting people that understand why step 1 is necessary in positions of power.
08-23-2014 | 08:20 AM
#7030
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From: EMB 145 CPT
What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
Sort of like, get on board we bought you.
Who is we? And if you think cal would've let us go out of business, then you don't know what you are talking about. They couldn't just let 244 aircraft be parked with a liquidation.
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