What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
08-26-2014, 05:26 AM
#7041
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Originally Posted by air101
You are delusional. Delusional about the fact XJT was on the right track before being purchased. Delusional about the fact that XJT isn't losing millions and its just an accounting trick by Inc.
What the rest of us know as fact, is that you L-XJT guys are little *****es. You want to mope around and blame everyone else but yourselves for poor performance, then and now. All you do is gimme, gimme, gimme. I want, I want, I want. Fact of the matter is, L-ASA is ready to play ball and you aren't. You and your pals are going to be the ones left on the outside looking in.
What the rest of us know as fact, is that you L-XJT guys are little *****es. You want to mope around and blame everyone else but yourselves for poor performance, then and now. All you do is gimme, gimme, gimme. I want, I want, I want. Fact of the matter is, L-ASA is ready to play ball and you aren't. You and your pals are going to be the ones left on the outside looking in.
08-26-2014, 07:56 AM
#7042
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
And let's not forget these industry outliers, which are the true reason XE is losing money:
Industry leading 50 seat RJ rates
Company paid defined contribution retirement plans
90% company paid PPO health insurance
Company paid On the Job Injury (OJI) bank
Line Bidding with vacation touch/drop
Inability of the company to contact on-duty crew members for rescheduling except in person
No operational flexibility
Angry labor groups, unwilling to perform above minimum requirements of contracts.
This is not a union vs union pi$$ing contest. This is a very real merger failure because of diametrically opposed cultures clashing in a vacuum of leadership.
So yes, it's time for the ACQUIRED (not hired) carrier to get on board or get parked. The SKW BOD has clearly run out of patience. They are not going to let the angry money losing side sink the profitable and willing side.
Industry leading 50 seat RJ rates
Company paid defined contribution retirement plans
90% company paid PPO health insurance
Company paid On the Job Injury (OJI) bank
Line Bidding with vacation touch/drop
Inability of the company to contact on-duty crew members for rescheduling except in person
No operational flexibility
Angry labor groups, unwilling to perform above minimum requirements of contracts.
This is not a union vs union pi$$ing contest. This is a very real merger failure because of diametrically opposed cultures clashing in a vacuum of leadership.
So yes, it's time for the ACQUIRED (not hired) carrier to get on board or get parked. The SKW BOD has clearly run out of patience. They are not going to let the angry money losing side sink the profitable and willing side.
08-26-2014, 08:01 AM
#7043
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Posts: 610
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Nevets and others try to blame all of this on some grand conspiracy of SkyWest Inc. to purposely make XJT unprofitable. That simply isn't true.
The fact is, LXJT pilots are living in a bubble from the past. They think this is still the world when they were CAL's exclusive feed and had a 10 percent cost plus CPA as the exclusive feed. In addition, CAL Exp. and later XJT, never experienced the whipsaw that Delta and United have been using for decades. The DCI and United Express battlefield are littered with corpses of dead regionals or regionals that rebranded after Delta and United got done with them. WestAir, AirWisc, Comair, ACA, etc.
These aren't "little trivial" differences. There is a huge cultural difference between the two carriers. There are huge differences in expectations. And then there is the very real difference pertaining to scheduling methods.
After four years, not only haven't those differences been narrowed, they have actually grown. It is time to move on. As Nevets says, everyone needs a plan B. The ASA side is executing their plan B. That is protecting the interests of their pilots.
The fact is, LXJT pilots are living in a bubble from the past. They think this is still the world when they were CAL's exclusive feed and had a 10 percent cost plus CPA as the exclusive feed. In addition, CAL Exp. and later XJT, never experienced the whipsaw that Delta and United have been using for decades. The DCI and United Express battlefield are littered with corpses of dead regionals or regionals that rebranded after Delta and United got done with them. WestAir, AirWisc, Comair, ACA, etc.
These aren't "little trivial" differences. There is a huge cultural difference between the two carriers. There are huge differences in expectations. And then there is the very real difference pertaining to scheduling methods.
After four years, not only haven't those differences been narrowed, they have actually grown. It is time to move on. As Nevets says, everyone needs a plan B. The ASA side is executing their plan B. That is protecting the interests of their pilots.
08-26-2014, 08:11 AM
#7044
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Posts: 611
Originally Posted by Waitingformins
No way man, its pretty basic. The express jet pilots want to take a pay cut about as much as you wanna pay extra taxes to help the government out of debt. Its pretty basic math, no one wants their boss coming to them and asking for them to work for less.
If the draw down of aircraft is equal to attrition, then everyone is happy. If the draw down forces furloughs you can always go to Mesa, and making even less than what the company originally offered.
08-26-2014, 08:36 AM
#7045
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And your crystal ball told you these jets wouldn't be parked anyways?
I bet it also said Eagle would be shutdown if they didn't vote yes, and Pinnacle would be liquidated of they didn't vote yes, or the judge would have imposed a worse deal for even longer than 10 years. Pilots suffer form THEIR own decisions much more than form the hands of a company. If you are truly worried about INC's bottom line why havent you spearheaded a movement for your group to take a paycut. A dollar is a dollar no mattter where it comes from.
I bet it also said Eagle would be shutdown if they didn't vote yes, and Pinnacle would be liquidated of they didn't vote yes, or the judge would have imposed a worse deal for even longer than 10 years. Pilots suffer form THEIR own decisions much more than form the hands of a company. If you are truly worried about INC's bottom line why havent you spearheaded a movement for your group to take a paycut. A dollar is a dollar no mattter where it comes from.
08-26-2014, 09:02 AM
#7046
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
And your crystal ball told you these jets wouldn't be parked anyways?
I bet it also said Eagle would be shutdown if they didn't vote yes, and Pinnacle would be liquidated of they didn't vote yes, or the judge would have imposed a worse deal for even longer than 10 years. Pilots suffer form THEIR own decisions much more than form the hands of a company. If you are truly worried about INC's bottom line why havent you spearheaded a movement for your group to take a paycut. A dollar is a dollar no mattter where it comes from.
I bet it also said Eagle would be shutdown if they didn't vote yes, and Pinnacle would be liquidated of they didn't vote yes, or the judge would have imposed a worse deal for even longer than 10 years. Pilots suffer form THEIR own decisions much more than form the hands of a company. If you are truly worried about INC's bottom line why havent you spearheaded a movement for your group to take a paycut. A dollar is a dollar no mattter where it comes from.
08-26-2014, 09:16 AM
#7047
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You guys need to all chill. The biggest hold up I have heard is the PBS system. That's it.
08-26-2014, 09:25 AM
#7048
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You guys need to all chill. The biggest hold up I have heard is the PBS system. That's it.
08-26-2014, 09:44 AM
#7049
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Originally Posted by NVUS
There will be less ERJ 50s, that was inevitable, but there will still be demand for most of them coming off contract. Someone will fly them, it just wont be XE pilots.
The company introduced seven highly efficient Embraer 175 aircraft to the United Express fleet. The modern and spacious 76-seat aircraft is the newest addition to the United Express fleet, enabling the airline to offer an improved regional jet experience. These aircraft will largely replace less-efficient 50-seat regional jets, and the company expects to reduce its 50-seat regional jet fleet by 38 aircraft by the end of the year.
Costs associated with permanently grounding Embraer ERJ 135 aircraft $66 (in Millions)
United announced 70 E-175 since SKY bought Express jet. They are clearly not advertised as new capacity for the company.
SkyWest could have guaranteed ExpressJet some of the 40 orders for their concessions, nope. If your make less, well make more.
The Compass deal with American has proven ExpressJet is out of line on the revenue side much more disproportional than the overhead side.
United will not be able to rebid the 50 seaters for anything close to the SkyWest deal.
You are right though SkyWest would love to rebid their expiring contracts for more money while using the threat of parking them to lower their pilot cost. It’s a win on both sides of the balance sheet, once again the pilot will be flying the same plane he was yesterday making less while the company makes more.
08-26-2014, 09:47 AM
#7050
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
And let's not forget these industry outliers, which are the true reason XE is losing money
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Industry leading 50 seat RJ rates
Company paid defined contribution retirement plans
90% company paid PPO health insurance
Company paid On the Job Injury (OJI) bank
Line Bidding with vacation touch/drop
Company paid defined contribution retirement plans
90% company paid PPO health insurance
Company paid On the Job Injury (OJI) bank
Line Bidding with vacation touch/drop
That out of the way, isn't the list above one that any union negotiator would strive for? Especially when the company readily acknowledges that revenue, not costs, are the problem? Who exactly are you negotiating for - labor or management?
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
This is not a union vs union pi$$ing contest. This is a very real merger failure because of diametrically opposed cultures clashing in a vacuum of leadership.
So yes, it's time for the ACQUIRED (not hired) carrier to get on board or get parked. The SKW BOD has clearly run out of patience. They are not going to let the angry money losing side sink the profitable and willing side.
So yes, it's time for the ACQUIRED (not hired) carrier to get on board or get parked. The SKW BOD has clearly run out of patience. They are not going to let the angry money losing side sink the profitable and willing side.
Just because you want something to happen and spew it all across the internet doesn't make it reality. The fact that you clearly hope a fellow union carrier would be shut down and fellow union brothers and sisters would lose their jobs speaks volumes to your character.
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