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Old 06-24-2014 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85
Concessions is an open statement. The ERJ guys are saying that PBS is a concession, only because they want the ability to intentionally bid high credit trips that conflict with vacation and/or training, which will be dropped and pay protected.

While I agree that it is nice, I don't think that should be able to be done. Maybe it's just my work ethic, but I believe you should work to be paid, not get paid not to work.
The whole point of being an airline pilot is to have high credit low flight hours.

The closer you are to 1:1 flight to credit hours, the worse your contract is.
Old 06-24-2014 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy94
How will taking concessions stop this airline from shrinking? 83%+ are ok with the consequences of not accepting concessions.
Concessions will not prevent this airline from shrinking. And when I voted "no" on the JCBA it was a "no" to that agreement. Don't just assume that 83% are OK with losing their jobs.
Old 06-24-2014 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Delayed again
Concessions will not prevent this airline from shrinking. And when I voted "no" on the JCBA it was a "no" to that agreement. Don't just assume that 83% are OK with losing their jobs.
So if they were to come back to you with the exact same TA and say "vote this in or we'll shut you down" (ala Pinnacle) it suddenly becomes an acceptable deal?
Old 06-24-2014 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BrewCity
So if they were to come back to you with the exact same TA and say "vote this in or we'll shut you down" (ala Pinnacle) it suddenly becomes an acceptable deal?
Why would they come back with the same TA and the same threats no one bought last time?
Old 06-24-2014 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
The whole point of being an airline pilot is to have high credit low flight hours.

The closer you are to 1:1 flight to credit hours, the worse your contract is.
If you think that's the "point" of being an airline pilot, you've made a terrible mistake
Old 06-24-2014 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PeezDog
If you think that's the "point" of being an airline pilot, you've made a terrible mistake
incorrect sir
Old 06-24-2014 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by C6vette088
incorrect sir
Don't get me wrong, I like high credit low block as much as the next guy, but I disagree that is the "point" of an being airline pilot. If you got in the business to make money as your sole motivation, that was a mistake.
Old 06-24-2014 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Delayed again
Concessions will not prevent this airline from shrinking. And when I voted "no" on the JCBA it was a "no" to that agreement. Don't just assume that 83% are OK with losing their jobs.
Good thing I didn't assume that, or say anything about everybody losing their jobs.
Old 06-24-2014 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by PeezDog
If you think that's the "point" of being an airline pilot, you've made a terrible mistake
The time we are compensated for is a fraction of the time we spend away from home at work. The whole idea is to reduce that disparity by increasing the credit-to-block ratio. I think that was the point he was trying to make.
Old 06-24-2014 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PeezDog
Don't get me wrong, I like high credit low block as much as the next guy, but I disagree that is the "point" of an being airline pilot. If you got in the business to make money as your sole motivation, that was a mistake.
The way the industry looks, your assessment is mostly correct.

The point of working is to make money. Looking at myself as if I were a business, my profit is MMMTO. My cost is TAFB.

While the decision to make money via aviation may not have been the good one, no one gets into a job PURELY for the love of the job. It's a bonus, sure, but if I have to be poor at home, there isn't a point.
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