I agree with Mach Indicator. The hourly rate does NOT tell the whole pay picture. We get a lot of extra pay due to contract rules ("soft pay/credit hours").

As for the ready reserve, it really depends on what position you hold (CA or FO, CR2 or CR7, which base, and what month of the year). I've historically seen CR7 CA ATL 0400 Reserves not get used that much. It's the 0600 and 1200 reserves that take a beating (get used a lot). Summer months (increased amount of flying hours and t-storms) use a lot of reserves at all bases...except DTW. I'm constantly being DHD'd to DTW to cover their understaffing issues.

The 1800/1900 "nap reserves" rarely get used. 1900 nap reserve often gets taken by line holders who want a paid vacation.

 

I have a question, Say the contract gets done by December of this year then legacy xjt comes up on the time United has set to get rid of the erj. So both sides get furloughed since there will be one list? It would be nice to know if legacy will continue to fly United to make this an easy decision.

 

Once there is a contract, then there will be talks for an ISL (integrated seniority list). My guess, it will be at least a minimum of 6 months till we could even see an ISL, and there will still be fences after that for all current employees.

If you're new to the 121 game, the fences mean that even though we will all be on 1 seniority list, CRJ pilots couldn't bid ERJ equipment/bases and ERJ pilots couldn't do the same for CRJ position until the "fence" has come down. It could go many ways, as in there is a company wide fence, one for the large RJ vs 50 seaters, etc. There are many variables involved, as if there was a mass bid and a ton of pilots changed equipment from ERJ to CRJ, this would incur significant training costs to the company, in addition to costs of pulling pilots off line for the training. The fence would allow stability for each the company and pilot group.

 

Also i believe management wants a new contract to a. attract new pilots (bonuses, retention etc.) b. have a pay rate for dual class RFPs so that they can go to mainlines and give them a bid c.(dare i bring it up) PBS d. the ISL as briefed e. possibly better reserve work rules??? (hopeful).......

 

Wrong. Read the TPA Agreement. No more than aprox. 4 months.

There are no guarantees of fences especially if it goes to Arbitration.

There is no flush bid.

Please take the time to read the TPA Agreement before you post.

 

Why? Conjecture makes better internet discussion.

 

Ooops! I forgot that this web board is not for factual information only B.S. My bad.


Back to your regularly scheduled program.

 

"3. Direct Negotiations and Mediation.

a. Within twenty-one (21) days after (but not sooner than) the combined
membership ratification of a JCBA, the merger representatives will commence
direct negotiations on an ISL.

b. If the merger representatives have not reached agreement on an ISL within
forty-five (45) days after commencing direct negotiations, they shall work with
the Mediator for up to an additional thirty (30) day period in an effort to
conclude an ISL.

D. Arbitration.

1. If, at the end of the thirty (30) day period specified in Paragraph C.3.b., the merger representatives have not reached agreement on an ISL, the Arbitration Board will convene at a time when the arbitrators’ schedules allow.

5. The Arbitration Board will issue a final and binding ISL within sixty (60) days of the conclusion of testimony."

The unknown variables in this time line are, 1) how long after the 45 days of direct negotiations does the mediation begin, 2) how long after the 30 days of mediation will the arbitration board schedule allow them to convene, 3) how long will the arbitration itself take before the conclusion of testimony. I could easily see this taking 6+ months.

"2. The Integrated Seniority List shall have only a prospective effect. Specifically, and
without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following conditions shall apply:

a. There shall be no “system flush” whereby a pilot may displace another pilot from 26
the latter’s position as a result of the implementation of the Integrated Seniority
List or the implementation or expiration of any condition or restriction"

There won't be a mass (flush) bid. As for fences, nobody knows.

 

I did. Just as Nevets posted, lets look at those time lines.....

• 21 days after the JCBA, and they have 45 days to come to an agreement. That's a total of 66 days after the ratification of the JCBA.
• Additional 30 day period for the mediator for each group to work with. We're now at day 96.
• No agreement there, goes to arbitration, depending on the arbitrators schedule. Lets say the arbitrator can start on day 97, they have 60 days. Now we're at day 156.

That's pretty much just over 5 months. Put in some delays in there, and you're looking at 6 months at a minimum. We've been in negotiations for how many years now, and you honestly think that an ISL will go by without any issues, on a fast paced time line? Remember the mediator scheduling and how it had to be rescheduled....2 months in advance? How long for an arbitrator in this case as well?


I see this going to a minimum of 6 months, but upwards of close to 8 months is my opinion. As for the flush bid, I did miss that, but I knew that was never an option.

 

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