To be fair, it probably has a lot to do with the fact that most people are doing things in the last two years that prevent flu spread that they've never done before during flu season. Things like wearing masks, washing and sanitizing your hands, standing farther apart, staying home if they weren't feeling well, not traveling, etc.

Or it could just be a big conspiracy. I'll let you decide.

Clearly it’s aliens…

Looking at this list of side effects….pregnancy and birth outcomes? The vaccine can get you pregnant??? I gotta warn all my Facebook friends immediately!

That is great for the folks who survived the first round..not so good for the folks that didn’t…hopefully the goal is to prevent deaths the first round.

It should be mandated by FedEx so I can move up a dozen or so slots in seniority.

That would be great if everyone had that mindset. But unfortunately we have some that are more on the authoritarian side of the spectrum.


How do you reconcile this with your COVID vaccine stance, specifically the risks of disease versus the risk of not being vaccinated?


Do people actually know if they are allergic before taking the vaccine? How many are allergic that are in the high risk category? How much liberty should by taken from everyone for this amount of people?



It’s sensible because people should have the freedom to decide what to put in their bodies and take risks they are willing to take.


But none of those mitigations have prevented COVID spread…yet it’s worked on influenza. Could there be a third alternative?

Amen. Just imagine how much cable news you guys could watch if you retired.....

I’m just ready for the Fox News watching boomer captains to put their money where their mouth is and retire already once it’s mandatory.

By this logic, why should any of those entities support any people with the comorbidites that are the actual underlying causes of death for most of these fatal COVID cases, vaccinated or not?

To this point, there are 28 million people with Type 2 Diabetes. Doctors say that 92% of these cases are preventable with nutrition and exercise. Ostensibly, these cases/patients are making a decision to live with the disease rather than eliminating it through their own choice. Not to mention the fact that this group is at much higher risk of having Complications with COVID. The logical step it increase their share of liability in proportion to their increased risk.

Wow! So if we wash our hands and social distance, we can cure cancer too?

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything but if you socially distance and wear masks then that also reduces the spread of the flu. It should be another light season with the delta variant bringing back restrictions.

Come on, don’t ya know the flu is way down because everyone is wearing a mask and social distancing, but COVID numbers have been up because…no one is wearing a mask and social distancing.

This is probably the most idiotic thing I’ve seen posted on the internet. And that’s saying a lot.

I tried to reply earlier, but I just couldn't figure out what to say back. I was dumbfounded by that post.

Dr. Fauci wrote a paper after a study was conducted by the NIH in the mid-'90s, that stated that masks could not stop the spread of SARS-Covid type viruses. If you remember he stated this at the beginning of the pandemic, and he cited his own work on it as proof. Then something magical happened where paper masks could now stop the spread of a virus that is nearly 100 microns smaller than the filtration capacity of the masks. In the paper he wrote, it was stated that the biggest danger from masks comes from the virus being aerosolized by the mask. The droplets do not pass on the infection through the skin, but the vapor inhaled into the lungs or introduced to the eyes does. That is why over 70% of all covid cases occur to people who always wear masks and are always with people who wear them. Those people prove Fauci's research is accurate.

The reason the flu numbers are down is because of the decisions made by the CDC on how to interpret test results. The most common form of testing that we've used since the onset, can not differentiate between Covid, Flu, or the common cold. It only proves that you have one of a few various types of coronavirus or other viruses, but not necessarily covid. The CDC determined that all positive tests would be treated as a positive for covid. They announced in early August that this form of testing would be outlawed by Dec 31, 2021. The CDC is requiring a new test that can differentiate between covid and the other viruses by that date. That is the reason no one got the flu because all positive tests were registered as covid. Have you ever wondered how some folks test positive while not having any covid symptoms, or they say it felt like a cold? Well, it might have been a cold, or one of the other viruses that could cause the test to show positive.

We might as well all wear tinfoil hats along with the masks, as they are about as scientifically beneficial to stopping the spread as the masks are.

Flu season is in the winter when people were wearing masks and socially distancing. We didn't do much of that over the spring and summer because of vaccination rates lowering transmission. Then the Delta variant hit. So now masks and maybe social distancing are back until we can get ahold of this thing... Just in time for flu season. It's not a very complicated concept. If we socially distance this winter and wear masks there will be less flu.

To borrow a quote from another poster... "It was aliens"....

Thanks, Dr. Urine.

Ever think that maybe there is less flu because ivermectin.

I don’t think a horse dewormer is in any way related to the flu.

OMgosh, you did it. You mentioned natural immunity. You might as well bring up Vitamins C, D and zinc while your at it.
Just throw in Ivermectin and HCQ for good measure. Any other code words I missed to get the brigade riled up?
:)
Edit: I popped off without reading the rest of this oh so exciting thread. Lots of Dr. 's and some nurses too.
Anyway, good on you for jumping in so early. I can't believe you didn't get blasted.

Actually ivermectin has been mentioned the most as being repurposed to combat Influenza A.
"Given ivermectin’s longstanding record of clinical applications and FDA-approved status, repurposing of this drug for the treatment of IAV should be considered, especially while under threat of pandemic IAV outbreak."

And no, I won't provide a link. Google it yourself.
:)

The Delta (airline not variant) boys and gals beat this horse to death. Kept beating it. Then the mods buried it. So they dug it back up, gave it a new name, and started beating it again! It may have even happened another time. Best course would be to just keep all your dumb opinions to yourself. Nobody cares. Or we can keep pulling each other off back and forth with the same old tired arguments.

I think that this guy nailed it. Case closed.

I was hoping the discussion would be centered around what y’all think fdx would do and your opinions as to how you will proceed accordingly. But I got suckered into the debate. We need another thread! Call it Pilots vs FDX vaccine stance.

The first page or two stayed on that track. :D

Dont think the company will make it mandatory. Once they make it mandatory i think you enter a gray area with adverse side effects and liability. Right now if you get vaccine...well it was your choice.

OK, updated version:

This needs to go to the Covid 19 thread so that all the same old arguments can happen there.

Bottom line is that we are very likely going to be flying to places that require it. Their country, their rules.

When that happens it will ultimately force the company's hand.

Pilots can be "vs FDX" as much as they like. It won't and can't change anything above.

As for me, there is no "Pilot vs. FedEx". I'm vaccinated on the advice of my doctor. I will get boosters on the advice of my doctor, whom I have trusted for years with far more serious decisions than whether or not to take a vaccine. He also happens to be an AME and the health officer for a large corporation. I haven't seen a keyboard commando with adequate credentials for me to re-rack their advice over his. And hey, if you don't trust him, 96% of US doctors were vaccinated as of 1 June. I'll get my flying advice from pilots and my medical advice from doctors.

I'll add one final thought. FDX pays Harvey Watt a bunch of money for medical consultation and their advice will probably come from (drumroll please)............DOCTORS

Fixed it for you

Good point. The only people who are worse than pilots when it comes to talking outside their expertise are lawyers. We have some folks here who would make great lawyers.

“So I read some biased article I found in my favorite echo chamber that supports my position. I am now an expert in [insert topic]” ~Random Pilot/Lawyer

Listening to your doctor is ridiculous. I take all my medical advice from the internet, then when I go to my doctor I impress him with how much more I know than he does about everything. I can tell he feels like an idiot for going to Med School at Johns Hopkins when all he needed to do was Google everything. What a chump.

That thought had already occurred to me, but I'm willing to bet that FedEx already has waaaaaay more lawyers than Harvey Watt.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-28/antibodies-waning-the-immune-system-has-a-backup-plan-for-that

Interesting read on natural immunity vs vaccine protection (not immunity) and how each changes over time. Draw your own conclusions

“ Wherry’s group found that memory B cells generated by the mRNA vaccines made by Moderna Inc. and Pfizer Inc. and its partner BioNTech SE appeared better at blocking virus variants including alpha, beta and delta, than those produced in response to a mild case of Covid-19.”

Above is what happens in breakthrough cases after full immunity has “worn off”

Flattening the curve isn’t a very complicated concept either yet that mysteriously went away.

That's because everyone who was willing or interested in flattening the curve is vaccinated at this point.

Im not sure why this is even a debate. The courts have already ruled. Like it or not its legal for the employers to mandate it. From that point forward personal opinion doesn’t matter. What am I missing?

I’m referring to leadership, the Fauci’s, if you will. The flattened curve no longer seems to matter anymore, evidence by their lack of mentioning it.

I believe a case is working it’s way up through the courts presently. So it’s yet to be determined.

Just because someone sues doesn't really mean anything. ACB refused to hear it as recently as June. The bottom line is that if someone is suing then it will get thrown out of court. Here's ALPA's legal summary on the matter for you. As many doctors as we've got around here I'm betting we have just as many lawyers though... http://fdx.alpa.org/portals/26/docs/...%208-16-21.pdf