Vaccine Stance
09-28-2021 | 04:50 AM
#431
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Why is it all of a sudden MEC elected pilots are resigning and yet the bargaining committee for ALPA remains in place. Initial PM is a puppet for ALPA just like our MEC is a puppet.
REMEMBER the only truthful messages we should fet our information from is our MEC, I mean ALPA who is running our negotiations. OUR MEC and the bargaining committee are nothing but puppets for ALPA. FIRE OUR MEC!!!!
To add OUR MEC helped and set up a few of the SENIOR managers with FALSE pilot profiles to VIEW our calendars.
Our MEC has agreed to let the company force vaccines on us already. This is a moot point to argue, the MEC has failed already, you will see in January.
Our MEC has given up our vacation to the company.
Our MEC has given up our A-plan to the company.
Our MEC gave up our right to bring a lawsuit to the company. We never could strike but at one time we were able to bring a lawsuit.
Our MEC gave our contract negotiations to ALPA and signed documents to not talk about it to US, the members.
Our MEC has sold us out. If you have balls you will join the lawsuit. Shout out to the four last round who did have the balls and exposed the MEC.
Call me whatever you like but when this starts happening in January and the MEC blames the company and say "it snuck in," means they were paid off and asleep at the desk. Send them an email and ask them. Just like the Manager who is in 777 now and never interviewed. What is his seniority number. We have managers who are way up there and not pilots watching us. Now we get an email saying how the company is going back on its word, what is our MEC doing.
Send the MEC a message and see what they say.
REMEMBER the only truthful messages we should fet our information from is our MEC, I mean ALPA who is running our negotiations. OUR MEC and the bargaining committee are nothing but puppets for ALPA. FIRE OUR MEC!!!!
To add OUR MEC helped and set up a few of the SENIOR managers with FALSE pilot profiles to VIEW our calendars.
Our MEC has agreed to let the company force vaccines on us already. This is a moot point to argue, the MEC has failed already, you will see in January.
Our MEC has given up our vacation to the company.
Our MEC has given up our A-plan to the company.
Our MEC gave up our right to bring a lawsuit to the company. We never could strike but at one time we were able to bring a lawsuit.
Our MEC gave our contract negotiations to ALPA and signed documents to not talk about it to US, the members.
Our MEC has sold us out. If you have balls you will join the lawsuit. Shout out to the four last round who did have the balls and exposed the MEC.
Call me whatever you like but when this starts happening in January and the MEC blames the company and say "it snuck in," means they were paid off and asleep at the desk. Send them an email and ask them. Just like the Manager who is in 777 now and never interviewed. What is his seniority number. We have managers who are way up there and not pilots watching us. Now we get an email saying how the company is going back on its word, what is our MEC doing.
Send the MEC a message and see what they say.
09-28-2021 | 09:17 AM
#432
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Random Covid Thoughts:
Covid started where there is lab doing gain of function research on coronaviruses.
Fauci is a known and proven liar but is still the ultimate authority.
They haven't found a single bat with Covid 19.
Studies show masks don’t work but here we are.
PCR doesn’t and never tested for Covid.
Numbers are 100% proven to be inflated.
Comorbidity matters. (Barely a single peep about this or demographics)
mRNA in cancer patients is Gene Therapy.
mRNA in Covid is a vaccine.
The defintion of “vaccine” online is different than in old print dictionaries.
Definition was prevent infection and transmission now it’s lessen symptoms.
The “Vaccine” effectiveness numbers are a moving target.
CDC overwhelmingly said no to boosters, CDC and White House is pushing them anyway.
Former FDA commissioner now works for Pfizer.
Still no therapies like “Tamiflu”. It’s vaccine or die.
VAERS (Early Fauci told us to look at VAERS). VAERS adverse events are increasing.
Blood clots and myocardial inflammation is REAL.
The border (no mask or vaccination).
Natural immunity being ignored and downplayed.
Virology 101 is never vaccinate somebody previously infected (that’s why the pediatrician asks if your kids already had chicken pox)
Where is the flu? Why are death rates the same for 2020 as 2019?
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE…
FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!
Just some thoughts, want me to have faith in the system, start by firing Fauci and Rochelle!
Covid started where there is lab doing gain of function research on coronaviruses.
Fauci is a known and proven liar but is still the ultimate authority.
They haven't found a single bat with Covid 19.
Studies show masks don’t work but here we are.
PCR doesn’t and never tested for Covid.
Numbers are 100% proven to be inflated.
Comorbidity matters. (Barely a single peep about this or demographics)
mRNA in cancer patients is Gene Therapy.
mRNA in Covid is a vaccine.
The defintion of “vaccine” online is different than in old print dictionaries.
Definition was prevent infection and transmission now it’s lessen symptoms.
The “Vaccine” effectiveness numbers are a moving target.
CDC overwhelmingly said no to boosters, CDC and White House is pushing them anyway.
Former FDA commissioner now works for Pfizer.
Still no therapies like “Tamiflu”. It’s vaccine or die.
VAERS (Early Fauci told us to look at VAERS). VAERS adverse events are increasing.
Blood clots and myocardial inflammation is REAL.
The border (no mask or vaccination).
Natural immunity being ignored and downplayed.
Virology 101 is never vaccinate somebody previously infected (that’s why the pediatrician asks if your kids already had chicken pox)
Where is the flu? Why are death rates the same for 2020 as 2019?
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE…
FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!
Just some thoughts, want me to have faith in the system, start by firing Fauci and Rochelle!
09-28-2021 | 09:26 AM
#433
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Why is it all of a sudden MEC elected pilots are resigning and yet the bargaining committee for ALPA remains in place. Initial PM is a puppet for ALPA just like our MEC is a puppet.
REMEMBER the only truthful messages we should fet our information from is our MEC, I mean ALPA who is running our negotiations. OUR MEC and the bargaining committee are nothing but puppets for ALPA. FIRE OUR MEC!!!!
To add OUR MEC helped and set up a few of the SENIOR managers with FALSE pilot profiles to VIEW our calendars.
Our MEC has agreed to let the company force vaccines on us already. This is a moot point to argue, the MEC has failed already, you will see in January.
Our MEC has given up our vacation to the company.
Our MEC has given up our A-plan to the company.
Our MEC gave up our right to bring a lawsuit to the company. We never could strike but at one time we were able to bring a lawsuit.
Our MEC gave our contract negotiations to ALPA and signed documents to not talk about it to US, the members.
Our MEC has sold us out. If you have balls you will join the lawsuit. Shout out to the four last round who did have the balls and exposed the MEC.
Call me whatever you like but when this starts happening in January and the MEC blames the company and say "it snuck in," means they were paid off and asleep at the desk. Send them an email and ask them. Just like the Manager who is in 777 now and never interviewed. What is his seniority number. We have managers who are way up there and not pilots watching us. Now we get an email saying how the company is going back on its word, what is our MEC doing.
Send the MEC a message and see what they say.
REMEMBER the only truthful messages we should fet our information from is our MEC, I mean ALPA who is running our negotiations. OUR MEC and the bargaining committee are nothing but puppets for ALPA. FIRE OUR MEC!!!!
To add OUR MEC helped and set up a few of the SENIOR managers with FALSE pilot profiles to VIEW our calendars.
Our MEC has agreed to let the company force vaccines on us already. This is a moot point to argue, the MEC has failed already, you will see in January.
Our MEC has given up our vacation to the company.
Our MEC has given up our A-plan to the company.
Our MEC gave up our right to bring a lawsuit to the company. We never could strike but at one time we were able to bring a lawsuit.
Our MEC gave our contract negotiations to ALPA and signed documents to not talk about it to US, the members.
Our MEC has sold us out. If you have balls you will join the lawsuit. Shout out to the four last round who did have the balls and exposed the MEC.
Call me whatever you like but when this starts happening in January and the MEC blames the company and say "it snuck in," means they were paid off and asleep at the desk. Send them an email and ask them. Just like the Manager who is in 777 now and never interviewed. What is his seniority number. We have managers who are way up there and not pilots watching us. Now we get an email saying how the company is going back on its word, what is our MEC doing.
Send the MEC a message and see what they say.
Last edited by Noworkallplay; 09-28-2021 at 09:43 AM.
09-28-2021 | 10:13 AM
#434
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Vaccine Stance
Not really sure that anyone could accurately answer those questions. But in the last month in my close circle alone, I can give you four little kids who got sick due to their anti-vax parents spreading it to them. Hopefully they will not have any lasting physical issues from this. One convalescent person whose caretaker refused to vaccinate him or herself and got Covid, gave it to him and killed him. Seems like it's the new way to murder your parents and get away with it. And an at risk person who got vaccinated early, immunity waned, and got sick, no doubt because he lives in a low vax area and was repetitively exposed. Fortunately he didn't get too sick (thank you vaccine).
0.2% of people killed in this country from a new disease, along with all the people suffering from long haul effects, is a large number. Especially since not everyone has gotten Covid, not everyone will, and it's not done with us yet. What is it, the #3 cause of death, behind heart disease and over 100 types of cancer all added together? And that's with all the measures we've taken. The social distancing, masking, vaccinations, staying at home, improving airflow, pouring billions of dollars into care and research. Can you imagine if we just pretended it was like the flu, like some people do, took no precautions, did no research, and pretended as if it didn't exist? How many more millions would be dead or suffering long term effects?
Even the former president, with a full load of antibodies from a serious case of Covid and the additional monoclonal antibody infusions, got himself vaccinated at the first possible opportunity.
0.2% of people killed in this country from a new disease, along with all the people suffering from long haul effects, is a large number. Especially since not everyone has gotten Covid, not everyone will, and it's not done with us yet. What is it, the #3 cause of death, behind heart disease and over 100 types of cancer all added together? And that's with all the measures we've taken. The social distancing, masking, vaccinations, staying at home, improving airflow, pouring billions of dollars into care and research. Can you imagine if we just pretended it was like the flu, like some people do, took no precautions, did no research, and pretended as if it didn't exist? How many more millions would be dead or suffering long term effects?
Even the former president, with a full load of antibodies from a serious case of Covid and the additional monoclonal antibody infusions, got himself vaccinated at the first possible opportunity.
All anecdotal. By definition, 0.2% is not a large number. People want to take some freedom away from everyone for 0.2%. And if you look at the young and healthy, that number goes even lower, something like 0.00something percent? As for the answer to my questions, maybe you are right. But those answers need to be known before we decide to limit people’s liberties, imho.
If you want to protect yourself, vaccinate. That seems to be the best way to protect yourself from the unvaccinated. No need to take liberties away for 0.2% of the total population.
One last thing, the majority of people are fully vaccinated. Three quarters have at least one vaccine. About 15% have tested positive, which amounts to a small percentage of all people who have gotten COVID. With those numbers helping here immunity, we don’t need to sacrifice everyone’s freedom and liberty for the infinitesimal minority, especially when one knows if they are the ones most at risk and therefore know to take as many mitigation efforts their risk aversion allows.
Really? News flash.... no vaccines are 100% effective. This is no different. It significantly lowers your chance of getting infected. Guessing you don’t wear seatbelts because there’s not a 100% chance of them saving your life, right?
I need to give up these kind of threads and just start banging my head against the wall. We’re never going to get rid of Covid with this kind of insanity. But maybe we’ll upgrade the gene pool.
I need to give up these kind of threads and just start banging my head against the wall. We’re never going to get rid of Covid with this kind of insanity. But maybe we’ll upgrade the gene pool.
Last edited by FXLAX; 09-28-2021 at 10:56 AM.
09-28-2021 | 10:47 AM
#436
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Vaccine Stance
All humans have natural rights. You don’t need to believe in God to know that. But if you do believe in God, it doesn’t matter which one you believe to be the true God, to feel it comes from God.
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09-28-2021 | 10:54 AM
#437
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Yeah but the operable part of that analogy in respect to COVID vaccine mandates is that the danger of not wearing a seatbelt is borne by the one not wearing it. Just as the danger of not getting vaccinated is borne by the one who chooses not to vaccinate. And people aren’t ostracized, shunned, looked down on, and prevented from participating in society and being able to provide a livelihood for themselves if they don’t comply with seat belts laws. Plus, there isn’t a passport for seat belts to enforce that law.
09-28-2021 | 11:10 AM
#438
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Vaccine Stance
Oh those two whole airplanes that they have been flying for the last 6 months? Not a new lease by the way per the ALPA comm. The ones that creat a penalty payment? How about the max hiring numbers we have had for the past 2 years continuing for the foreseeable future. How about the aircraft order after aircraft order. How about the massive bid after massive bid. How about unheard of career progression never seen before? How about the max AVA/Draft and VBB. Learn your contract first then post facts. The penalty payments make wet leasing only viable if they are left with no other choice. Check back into reality
At the risk (hope) of changing the subject, let me ask you this. If your shower head has a leak but still provides good water pressure during your shower, do you let it leak and develop that mildew streak down your shower wall or do you fix it so that it doesn’t become worse than a stain on the wall?
You must not be able to read the contract because it clearly spells out that it’s legal and creates a penalty payment. That’s exactly what the communication sent by ALPA clearly stated two days ago.
The whole point is to monetarily make it painful on the company and de-incentivize them from doing it unless they absolutely have to.
Our scope language is the same as it’s been for 25 years and has a track record of working pretty darn well.
Much bigger fish to fry and things to look after than these measly 2 wet leases that are much smaller numbers then we’ve had in years past.
The whole point is to monetarily make it painful on the company and de-incentivize them from doing it unless they absolutely have to.
Our scope language is the same as it’s been for 25 years and has a track record of working pretty darn well.
Much bigger fish to fry and things to look after than these measly 2 wet leases that are much smaller numbers then we’ve had in years past.
If management is perpetually wet leasing out of peak, can you really say the penalty is a disincentive? Maybe it should be more like UAL’s scope choke? Make it so disincentivizing that they simply don’t exercise that clause? Or at the very least, why wouldn’t you want the penalty to be higher?
Alaska airlines had scope language that probably dated back more than 25 years and now they wished they would’ve done something about it. That’s just not a good argument. It’s an argument management negotiators may make at the table though. It’s only 2 aircraft now but what about in the future?
The argument in regards to vaccination started with “it would be illegal to require one to be vaccinated”. Then when that myth was debunked with numerous case law examples dating back to the early 1900s they then moved on to “it’s my God-given right to make my choice”. Then you ask him/her if it’s their kids God-given right to not be vaccinated and go to school where vaccinations are required? You bet your kid cannot get vaccinated but they then also cannot go to that school. Sounds similar to this and going to work at a place that would require vaccination. If you don’t want to get it that’s fine don’t get it but if your employer requires it then you no longer have a job. Have fun finding a new job. See ya!!!! Then have fun wasting thousands of dollars on an attorney more than happy to take your money to have the case thrown out like numerous cases are currently throughout the country.
09-28-2021 | 11:12 AM
#439
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It says that they will advise us of immunizations. Not that they can mandate them. So if a foreign country requires it, they advise us of it. Obviously if that’s the case, there will be personal consequences just as there is now if you choose not to get a visa. That’s not the same from the company mandating the vaccine as United did.
09-28-2021 | 11:49 AM
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It says that they will advise us of immunizations. Not that they can mandate them. So if a foreign country requires it, they advise us of it. Obviously if that’s the case, there will be personal consequences just as there is now if you choose not to get a visa. That’s not the same from the company mandating the vaccine as United did.
26.M.1. ".................. The company shall advise each pilot of the visas and immunizations he must possess.
You could state it this way. The company will give notice of the visas and immunizations he must possess.
Cut and dry. You will be advised and if you choose to not comply you will have consequences up to and including loss of employment. Simple.......
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