Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot

So what is it you want? You want to know exactly what is being negotiated and as you said that's breaking confidentiality agreements. Do you want to be a union pilot? There are alternatives, let me know how that works out for you. Being in a union involves trusting the process that committees and elected representatives will represent you. It's a democratic process. If you don't like that go to a non-union shop. I think you are frustrated because you aren't apart of the process so you are going to upset the apple cart because of it.

Originally Posted by Stan446

Trust our union leadership and the MEC? After 25yrs, multiple contracts, misrepresented LOAs, why would I trust the Union? Why would anyone trust our union? Its been one contract after another sold to the pilot group as, "This is the best we can get, or, this is all the company will give us". I've been lied to long enough. I have zero faith in our leadership. Hopefully our pilot group will finally see through the lies and vote no if the contract does not meet our goals.

Originally Posted by Stan446

Trust our union leadership and the MEC? After 25yrs, multiple contracts, misrepresented LOAs, why would I trust the Union? Why would anyone trust our union? Its been one contract after another sold to the pilot group as, "This is the best we can get, or, this is all the company will give us". I've been lied to long enough. I have zero faith in our leadership. Hopefully our pilot group will finally see through the lies and vote no if the contract does not meet our goals.

Originally Posted by Galley Slave

Section 3 Compensation
Establish industry leading Hourly Rates of Pay (3.C. (p. 28))
- Currently Delta has the industry’s highest pay rates. A raise to meet or beat Delta would only amount to a 5% pay raise. Would this suffice to be “industry leading”? Would we meet this day one of the contract, or would it be “leading” at the end of the 6 yr contract that the union is negotiating? What happens when Delta passes a new contract and suddenly our “industry leading” pay rates are no longer “leading”?

Section 28 Retirement
- WTF knows what kind of breakfast the union is negotiating with the company? Most likely cold pancakes.

Section 5 Traveling Expenses
- Simplify non-contract hotel expense reimbursement procedure (5.A.7. (p.65))
How about cleaning up the entire steaming turd that is our expense report system. Tighten up language on receipts. Add an appeals process before allowing payroll deductions for “unauthorized” expenses.

Section 8 Deadheading
Improve deviation options when authorized class of service is not available on the scheduled flight (8.C.3.a.vi. (p. 123))
- How about demanding that a seat be booked on an airline that actually has a seat available in the class of service stated by the contract. Why should I have to deviate off of SWA on a 5+ hr flt just to get the class of service I’m entitled to?

Section 25 Scheduling
- No mention of real time trip trading? Probably the number one requested change to scheduling by the pilot group.

Just to list a few. Do you really know what your NC is negotiating? Do you trust them to get an industry leading contract? Their openers are vague by choice. Don’t list specifics and your pilots won’t be disappointed when we don’t obtain them. History has proven that we always walk away from the table way short of our goals. This time will be no different I fear.

Originally Posted by Anthrax

ding ding. trust them to sell us a concessionary contract, and thereafter settle a lawsuit with our fellow union members. This theme that we should all **** and let them negotiate on our behalf is flawed! we wait. the ta gets shoved down our throats and we gain nothing but an inflationary pay raise. you all can shut up if you wish. you all can trust our union leaders. but our union has a dark history and I see no light.

Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot

so what’s your suggestion?

Originally Posted by Anthrax

ultimately: vote no on the first TA they throw at us. allow the devil’s advocates time to assess the TA. There will be pro/con articles written and distributed. This allows a broader picture of what is really at stake. and them flood our union reps with demands. we’re talking tsunami the gates until the vast majority agree that we r good to proceed with an industry leading contract. vote no.

Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot

So to recap BrianH and TonyC want to recall our reps because we don't have time to see what the negotiating committee is able to accomplish with the first TA. The rest of the angry mob is going to vote down the first TA no matter what because, well they have a feeling.