7 Weeks until the new contract!
04-10-2022 | 01:01 PM
#11
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It ain’t ALPAs fault, it ain’t the company’s fault, it’s OUR fault! Period! Just about everyone I fly with is on DFT or AVA or volunteered extension. Until we collectively stop doing that stuff as a whole pilot group, and start acting like a pilot group in negotiations, we ain’t getting anything done. So quit yo b*****in about ALPA and/or the company. Look in the mirror.
I mean, we even had a CA post on Embry Riddle chat group bragging how much he made in a month, with a picture of himself smiling!!! Where do we get such TOOLBAGS?!!!!
I mean, we even had a CA post on Embry Riddle chat group bragging how much he made in a month, with a picture of himself smiling!!! Where do we get such TOOLBAGS?!!!!
What do new hires get from the union? An hour introduction during BI and a meet and great afterwards over a beer? Nobody of any significance meets the new hire groups. No expectations are set. No contract education. And we wonder where these toolsbags come from.
04-10-2022 | 02:13 PM
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Yes it is our fault. But I also blame our pathetic union. It isn't a union. We had a chance to fundamentally change this pilot group and turn it into a real union because of the numbers we've hired. That was squandered.
What do new hires get from the union? An hour introduction during BI and a meet and great afterwards over a beer? Nobody of any significance meets the new hire groups. No expectations are set. No contract education. And we wonder where these toolsbags come from.
What do new hires get from the union? An hour introduction during BI and a meet and great afterwards over a beer? Nobody of any significance meets the new hire groups. No expectations are set. No contract education. And we wonder where these toolsbags come from.
Here you go. It's your chance to make a difference!
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04-10-2022 | 05:22 PM
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04-11-2022 | 01:42 AM
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So, the the program is "a start" and it "pails (sic) in comparison to what (you) are suggesting." Why don't you offer to help the committee and turn the program into what you are suggesting?
You seem to suggest in your earlier post that the pilot group and specifically new hires need more and better education.
That sound a lot like mentoring to me.
"Be the change you want to see."
04-11-2022 | 02:42 AM
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The difference (to pilots) is semantics. To the company, it could mean huge tax consequences. That is why companies prefer a signing bonus.
It is the amount that matters, not the name. Companies benefit by delay tactics, no matter the end game.
04-11-2022 | 04:50 AM
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If the company offered a choice of $50K in retro, or $100K in signing bonus, you would vote for the retro?
The difference (to pilots) is semantics. To the company, it could mean huge tax consequences. That is why companies prefer a signing bonus.
It is the amount that matters, not the name. Companies benefit by delay tactics, no matter the end game.
The difference (to pilots) is semantics. To the company, it could mean huge tax consequences. That is why companies prefer a signing bonus.
It is the amount that matters, not the name. Companies benefit by delay tactics, no matter the end game.
Remember last time, how they "made up the cost of the contract in six months"? We got played, badly. The NC has already admitted making changes to our vacation. Do you really think those changes aren't designed to benefit the company?
Just like "lie flat seats", we will get played again.
Seems like one area will be Jumpseats instead of deadheads.
Be very, very careful when you consider how to vote.
04-11-2022 | 04:54 AM
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Of course not. You give a false choice. They company will never offer more of a signing bonus than the cost of retro.
Remember last time, how they "made up the cost of the contract in six months"? We got played, badly. The NC has already admitted making changes to our vacation. Do you really think those changes aren't designed to benefit the company?
Just like "lie flat seats", we will get played again.
Seems like one area will be Jumpseats instead of deadheads.
Be very, very careful when you consider how to vote.
Remember last time, how they "made up the cost of the contract in six months"? We got played, badly. The NC has already admitted making changes to our vacation. Do you really think those changes aren't designed to benefit the company?
Just like "lie flat seats", we will get played again.
Seems like one area will be Jumpseats instead of deadheads.
Be very, very careful when you consider how to vote.
If contracts are a balanced equation, the money on the company side went up - which means additions to our side of the equation.
Accept no concessions, no matter how small. They got their concessions over the last two years in pilot QOL. They have the money from that period in their pockets.
04-11-2022 | 05:10 AM
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It ain’t ALPAs fault, it ain’t the company’s fault, it’s OUR fault! Period! Just about everyone I fly with is on DFT or AVA or volunteered extension. Until we collectively stop doing that stuff as a whole pilot group, and start acting like a pilot group in negotiations, we ain’t getting anything done. So quit yo b*****in about ALPA and/or the company. Look in the mirror.
I mean, we even had a CA post on Embry Riddle chat group bragging how much he made in a month, with a picture of himself smiling!!! Where do we get such TOOLBAGS?!!!!
I mean, we even had a CA post on Embry Riddle chat group bragging how much he made in a month, with a picture of himself smiling!!! Where do we get such TOOLBAGS?!!!!
04-11-2022 | 05:15 AM
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Yes it is our fault. But I also blame our pathetic union. It isn't a union. We had a chance to fundamentally change this pilot group and turn it into a real union because of the numbers we've hired. That was squandered.
What do new hires get from the union? An hour introduction during BI and a meet and great afterwards over a beer? Nobody of any significance meets the new hire groups. No expectations are set. No contract education. And we wonder where these toolsbags come from.
What do new hires get from the union? An hour introduction during BI and a meet and great afterwards over a beer? Nobody of any significance meets the new hire groups. No expectations are set. No contract education. And we wonder where these toolsbags come from.
04-11-2022 | 05:28 AM
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He simply gave you information on a program intended to do what you want to see done. Many volunteer to do these programs. Most new hires I fly with I ask if they are in the mentorship program. Maybe 50% says yes. Most say “I have a few buddies to help”. When you have unwilling pilots you get apathy.
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