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Old 04-25-2022 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
so since a pilot hired today doesn’t have access to that FCIF, are they required to comply with a policy they can’t even find?
So by your logic, if one can't find a policy, one doesn't have to comply?
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Old 04-25-2022 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by opt0712
So by your logic, if one can't find a policy, one doesn't have to comply?
i mean how are they supposed to even know about it?? Word of mouth? Should we expect everyone to comply with word of mouth policies that aren’t written anywhere that they can access?
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Old 04-25-2022 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by opt0712
So by your logic, if one can't find a policy, one doesn't have to comply?
If the company rescinded the FCIF, so was the policy if they didn’t incorporate it elsewhere. We really have bigger things to worry about.

We’re in contract negotiations and it seems most people I’ve been working with don’t even understand what that means. I can forgive the new hires but the ones on property for a few years???
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Old 04-25-2022 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
i mean how are they supposed to even know about it?? Word of mouth? Should we expect everyone to comply with word of mouth policies that aren’t written anywhere that they can access?
Ah, I see what you are saying. Looking at FOM 2.55, it states "The uniform will be worn in it's entirety whenever in the public eye or Company areas, except for the crew member lounges or aircraft."

Then looking under the Uniforms tab on PFC under Required Uniform Items, you'll see Winter Parka. So maybe linking those two policies together led to the CA saying something?

Let's be honest, wearing only the company issued parka liner doesn't look good as it's supposed to be just a liner.
However, the Karbon jacket is made to be worn as a liner only, outer shell only, or both together. Is the Karbon liner only the one in question here or the company issued parka?
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Old 04-25-2022 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by opt0712
Ah, I see what you are saying. Looking at FOM 2.55, it states "The uniform will be worn in it's entirety whenever in the public eye or Company areas, except for the crew member lounges or aircraft."

Then looking under the Uniforms tab on PFC under Required Uniform Items, you'll see Winter Parka. So maybe linking those two policies together led to the CA saying something?

Let's be honest, wearing only the company issued parka liner doesn't look good as it's supposed to be just a liner.
However, the Karbon jacket is made to be worn as a liner only, outer shell only, or both together. Is the Karbon liner only the one in question here or the company issued parka?
well that’s like, your opinion man.

the parka liner looks far better than the full parka to a lot of guys, hence the issue here.

Also the point still stands that there is no published company guidance available to newhires that says “karbon liner good, parka liner bad” besides some mythical FCIF that may have been distributed years ago that newhires don’t have access to.
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Old 04-25-2022 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by opt0712
Let's be honest, wearing only the company issued parka liner doesn't look good as it's supposed to be just a liner.
On the H&M website it states under "Parka Black FedEx" as having the following attributes "zip out liner worn alone".
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Old 04-25-2022 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
well that’s like, your opinion man.

the parka liner looks far better than the full parka to a lot of guys, hence the issue here.

Also the point still stands that there is no published company guidance available to newhires that says “karbon liner good, parka liner bad” besides some mythical FCIF that may have been distributed years ago that newhires don’t have access to.
Haha I read that in Lebowski's voice.

Yea I definitely see the confusion from both sides. One would have thought FOM 73 would have been a good place to incorporate an updated uniform policy addressing this subject.

As Purple said, we have bigger fish to fry. So I don't understand the hang-up this person had with the uniform.
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Old 04-25-2022 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ARAMP1
On the H&M website it states under "Parka Black FedEx" as having the following attributes "zip out liner worn alone".
Copy, thank you for correcting me.
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Old 04-25-2022 | 06:23 AM
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Old 04-25-2022 | 07:22 AM
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Take a look around AOC for the black tennis shoes. Pilots dead heading in jeans and a t-shirt. Draft trips filled every day. Vacation sold back every month. You pick the real problem.
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