Lessons Learned at United
07-23-2022 | 04:50 PM
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They are good questions and hopefully I had some valuable answers. As others have said if we get a great contract it floats all boats. The FDX contract in 2015 did just that. It didn’t get the retirement piece solved but at the time it crushed everyone else’s pay to include work rules and soft pay. We are still industry top in vacation and retirement (probably now tied with brown on retirement depending on age).
07-23-2022 | 04:56 PM
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Someone else is probably better suited for that question. Some things that initially come to mind. 1) They have a big voice in DC. 2) Track record of industry leading contracts. Like I said earlier I'm not stuck on the name of the union since it’s only as strong as the pilot group. Isn’t American trying to go back to ALPA? Makes you wonder why
07-23-2022 | 04:57 PM
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This is a copy from the UA board. A slightly different set of circumstances however the same narrative at our property. I warned ya.
“Pre merger there would have been ZERO United pilots picking up any trips during negotiations. If they had their schedules would have been posted behind the glass of the ALPA message boards for all to see. Now we have a new group of pilots bragging about how they get 140 hours of pay every month and fly down to 10 days off and the TA will hurt their chances to keep flying as much as possible on their days off.
That is the reason we have the current TA. We don’t need improvements to reserve, etc because the company knows they can just add some PP and guys are falling all over themselves to grab those trips, even complaining when they can’t fly OT.
You can blame the NC all you want but this pilot group’s daily actions are the blame.”
“Pre merger there would have been ZERO United pilots picking up any trips during negotiations. If they had their schedules would have been posted behind the glass of the ALPA message boards for all to see. Now we have a new group of pilots bragging about how they get 140 hours of pay every month and fly down to 10 days off and the TA will hurt their chances to keep flying as much as possible on their days off.
That is the reason we have the current TA. We don’t need improvements to reserve, etc because the company knows they can just add some PP and guys are falling all over themselves to grab those trips, even complaining when they can’t fly OT.
You can blame the NC all you want but this pilot group’s daily actions are the blame.”
07-23-2022 | 05:40 PM
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I would encourage you to read USMC’s post. Any time someone disagrees with him he says they are not FedEx pilots. I have been at another legacy airline so I think I have a fairly good perspective on the industry. Many friends/relatives who have been around FDX for a LONG time. Some retired for years. What did I say to you that was trollish? I tried to add perspective and reality to what other airlines have/don’t have and what we have. The other big point I made was a union is only as strong as the ENTIRE pilot group. If thats trollish then some people need thicker skin. Is the point of forums for everyone to always think the same way? Good luck on that with a bunch of pilots. The only people who block other posters are those who only want to hear themselves talk.
07-23-2022 | 05:44 PM
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I would encourage you to read USMC’s post. Any time someone disagrees with him he says they are not FedEx pilots. I have been at another legacy airline so I think I have a fairly good perspective on the industry. Many friends/relatives who have been around FDX for a LONG time. Some retired for years. What did I say to you that was trollish? I tried to add perspective and reality to what other airlines have/don’t have and what we have. The other big point I made was a union is only as strong as the ENTIRE pilot group. If thats trollish then some people need thicker skin. Is the point of forums for everyone to always think the same way? Good luck on that with a bunch of pilots. The only people who block other posters are those who only want to hear themselves talk.
07-23-2022 | 08:41 PM
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Becauae the resources that ALPA provides are worth the dues. We are only as strong as our individual membership makes our association. The IPA has less than 3000 pilots, don't think they are going to welcome twice that number of un-unified FedEx pilots just looking for an alternative. At the end of the day the volunteers and unity of the pilot group makes a strong union. We as FDX ALPA are some of the most un-unified pilots in the industry and thus we are weak. That has nothing to do with the leadership and everything to do with the "independent contractors" that work here.
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