My beliefs.

Junior people in category will be displaced. They are growing the MEM757 by 28/180 seats not just for European flying. Most of those people are on wide body aircraft right now. SMH

The company plans to have another bid next year. This bid won’t be trained out before then. And they don’t plan too.

They will train the MD pilots as the airplanes park and the displaced/assigned pilots. Anyone with an “award” will be either not offered the training class they need or perhaps SDPd.

They will do everything they can to reduce training someone to only then have to retrain them again on the next bid.

The pilots who get moved to the 757 will be there longer than they wish to be.


I hope I’m wrong. This is what’s happened in the past.

 

I think you answered your own question. If you aren't returning to the seat you were assigned from, then you wouldn't have a right to that seat. Try reading the contract section that I referenced. As Hvypurplepylot stated, you have provided different scenarios and there are different answers to each. Your response that this is the answer from CE implies that you think that answer applies to every scenario. That isn't the case. No one said you were making this up, but we don't know what you wrote in the DART to get that response. You should also look closely at how an "assignment" works and where they would put you. If you are assigned from a seat and into a seat you don't want, you either did not put in enough choices, or are so junior that they gave you the highest paying seat you could hold at the highest seniority.

Posting a response from CE claiming it covers all situations doesn't help anyone and fuels angst and confusion. If you want to help, post a picture or PDF of your actual DART, identifying information redacted of course, so that all of those you are trying to help can see the exact situation you described and the answer you were given.

 

This is probably true. If your seniority number is 5700 or junior, there is a very good chance you will be assigned to 75FO. Not what I want to see, but just a reality. I'm also not saying that you will actually ever train for that seat, but be prepared for the assignment. This was caused by the company training for seats out of seniority order. They tried to solve an immediate inconvenience and created a bigger problem. Don't get to spoiled up by it. Just like before, this too will pass.

 

I'm not the one confused.

This.

 

I am not trying to be argumentative but I hope someone can explain this to me. How do they say they are growing the 757 FO by 180?

Bid 20-02 MIN/MAX was CA 384/384 FO 322/322
Bid 21-01 MIN/MAX was CA 399/404 FO 392/392
Bid 23-01 MIN/MAX is CA 384/412 FO 362/362

I know the bid shows 182 currently but the plane is staffed in the right seat. A lot of those have awards elsewhere and that's how they get the 182 number, but the fleet isn't growing. It is shrinking from 21-01 and just a little growth since 20-02 in the FO seat. CA is basically the same all 3 bids. It's just that the 180 FO deficit is going to come from seniority list pilots and not new hires. Again, not trying to start an argument I just don't see how they are calling it growth.

 

Question via dart:

In system bid 23-01 I will be bidding FROM a WB CA position. If I am subject to ASSIGNMENT and am assigned a WB CA position will I be subject to a bid award restriction in a subsequent bid? In other words, if I was assigned to MEM XXX CA position and another bid came out after I activated would I be subject to the standard lateral/down bid restrictions.

Answer via dart:

If you are assigned TO a WB captain position from a WB CA position: Once there, and if activated, then a future System Bid occurs, you will need to be activated in the WB captain seat for 24 months in order to receive a lateral WB Captain crew position. The 24.F.1 restrictions don’t “look back” on how you got there, it just looks “forward.”

 

And based on the vague question you asked, that answer is correct. You basically asked that if you were assigned out of your WB captain seat, would you be subject to a seat lock in a subsequent bid from bidding any other WB captain seat. If you had asked if you had a right to return to the same seat you held before, the answer would/should be different. Vague questions result in generic answers. Your initial post stated that you couldn't go back to the seat you held before if a bid was held 18 months later even if someone junior to you could hold it. That is not true. That scenario is not what you asked in your DART according to this post.

 

Right but in your post below you stated a specific seat not "WB CA to WB CA" like you did in your DART. Words matter.
Read 24.C.2.e if you are still confused.

 

Recommend that you contact ALPA if you feel like this might effect you. I'm not going to argue with you guys. Specific seats don't matter as we only have categories of WBCA, WBFO, NBCA, and NBFO for the sake of down/lateral bid awards. If you aren't going to be effected by System Bid 23-01 no worries. If you are, I would reach out and make sure that you are very clear in how you arrange your bid.

 

So, you aren't willing to read the contract section about ARR, but want to "help" people. Anyone who listens to you deserves what they get. Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers. Read the d@*N contract.