Technique Only

I suggest everyone open the Section 3 View Full Section Info link on fdxta.com and look at the charts the NC has laid out for us. Based on their assumptions, you see comparisons of pay rates to other carriers based on the 777, 767, and 757. Assuming you trust these assumptions in comparisons of pay, you still would be a NO voter based on pay being the number two most important item in our openers. When looking at these charts, the 777 pay charts are the only ones that beat UPS, our nearest comparison carrier. To further see how bad this is, looking at our master seniority list with a total of 6009 pilots, only 1,471 pilots total are on the 777. This math equates to 24.48% of our crew force. Based on this simple math, over 75% of our pilots will receive lower pay than UPS. Even worse, the 757 pilots are substantially less than UPS since UPS has a single pay rate for captains and first officers. How does this equate to industry leading pay rates if we can’t even beat our closest comparison carrier? For this reason alone, the vote should be NO.

Moosefire

Bingo. Think of what a dangerous precedent this sets for future negotiating committees to overcome. 06 & 15 TAs we at least achieved comparable (or leading) top rates compared to our passenger counterparts. This TA establishes that FedEx pilots value ourselves at 11-15% less than our passenger peers. Think the company won’t use that against us next time?

threeighteen

Our union is comparing 757 rates to other carriers 737 rates and 767 rates to other carriers 757 rates.


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Stan446

Sadly you can only look at a pay rate to decide what is compensation. Hardly anyone here with anything but misinformation and anger. Glad you guys spent two years across the negotiating table to tell us how our TA equates pay wise.

threeighteen

When the rest of our contract lacks in soft pay parameters too, the lower rates become even more depressing.

PW305

My 11CH 3-days are curious what this additional compensation you speak of is

Flying Boxes

The previous 3 post's to this statement are correct. Please explain how our compensation is comparable to pilots at other airlines. Because this TA gives up much of our soft time pay advantage. The new retirement vehicle limits our retirement contributions to IRS limits with no cash over cap option. That is compensation we are not getting and it's affects the senior pilots more so than junior. No profit share. No control over investments.

How many pilots do we have flying the 757, MD-11 & 777? (number are from VIPs seniority summary today)
B757 has 784
B777 has 1,619
MD11 has 1,134
Total 3,537 pilots flying at a significant discounted rate.

B767 has 1,493
A300 has 731
Total 2,224

So this TA pays %39 of our pilots close to market rate for the aircraft flown.
But this TA undervalues %61 of our pilots compared to market rate for the aircraft flown.

Which subset of these pilots have the highest block hour utilization? Do B767/A300 pilots crush the block hours flown compared to the bigger jets?

Idaho

The retirement is more of a gain for Fedex than to the pilots. If the NMB doesn't agree they are probably corrupt.

I'm looking at the percentage increase in hourly pay, from what I had before, and yes, we've given concessions to efficiency for the company.
How does 22/6/5/5/4 sound? Retro 15/5?

Keep the A plan at the new cap for everyone, and the company can start maxing out our B plan to the IRS max, which does go up, and the higher paid pilots can cease making their own contributions.

Laughing_Jakal

Doing that has a downside of Cash over cap....the new retirement system didn't exist when Cash over cap was implemented at other carriers....the 11% has DB protections and deferred tax status as does your 401k contributions

Seriously....watch the tape of the roadshow....open a libation, and make editorials like "Pat's full of ****"....take notes, then come back here and blast me in public about what a company stooge I am.....but unless you believe that Pat is fully corrupt or stupid you probably ought to listen to what he has to say. The nature of the question you ask appears to me that you haven't heard him explain the NC and MEC's rationale....I could be wrong....it seems like even if you didn't accept his explanation, you might have phrased your question/assertion differently on here.

Its almost like because of their anger, some here want to stay deliberately ignorant about the other sides position. Even if you decide to be the next NC....there might be some kernels of wisdom you could gain by talking to them instead of dismissing them all as naive and ignorant

Laughing_Jakal

Reading the contract is always good advice...the more you are informed the better.....watch the roadshow on video...or better yet go to one.....address them with your specific concern and get them to admit where they messed up....then you can show your brilliance to real live boys and girls and not just to us trolls on the interwebby.......