Negative, just a friend of a friend who knows a vp at western global. Thanks for the insight, makes me less concerned about the future here.

 

There is nothing there that FedEx wants.
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/we...y-rumors-swirl

 

I get it. You don't believe it is possible. That or you retire soon. Fear is very contagious but courage is also. We have all seen the breakdown of yes votes and their corresponding age. I wish more people at FX didn't hold your philosophy. We will NEVER get a good contract if this thought process permeates through the work force and by extension to the negotiating table. "We are worth top tier pay but it is not possible due to the current economic conditions" is a defeatist attitude and is one of the main contributors that make FX ALPA toothless. The doom and gloomers constantly say UAL, DAL, AA, WN will be bankrupt soon and their contract gutted, so that is why we shouldn't negotiate for that. This is probably one of the more absurd arguments I read on here.

 

Why do you have 3 posts?

 

Bingo. FedEx is making BILLIONS…. Numbers might be off their highs but this is far from a concessionary environment.

wanna furlough me? Fine… takes the decision off my back on whether to stay or go. I can walk into a job just about anywhere else and see what happens when recalls come.

thrilled to see the junior half of our seniority list has more resolve than our MEC chair.

 

I’m 56. I will retire once we get a new contract. I hoped that would be before 60. Now I’m not sure. But I can wait. Unlike last 4a2b when I was extremely junior in my seat, I am now very senior in my seat. I can easily afford the pay cut. But it will be worth hanging out to see what changes to the retirement package look like. I know lots of people doing what I’m doing. They could leave any time. Several planned on it. Now they’ll sit and wait.
You seem unable to grasp reality. There’s a difference between “doom and gloom” and simple fact. What I said is simple fact. The airline industry is cyclical as a whole, but also by sector. During COVID, the cargo industry was at its peak while the passenger industry struggled. Now the reverse is true. That’s reality, and maybe you were raised believing that throwing a temper tantrum gets you what you want, but the business world doesn’t really care about your emotions. The company has exactly zero incentive at this point to bring anything new to the table. Unless the global freight environment changes, we’re essentially negotiating during a recession in our industry. Again, you may not like to hear it, but facts are facts. The best thing the company can do (and no doubt will) is sit back and watch us flail. Regardless of why we voted the TA down, we’ve done them a huge favor. Saved them a lot of money at a time they really don’t want to spend any. The longer we take to get our **** together, the happier they are. Let’s hope the people who led the charge to reject the TA have a good plan to move forward.

 

Equating voting down a TA that failed to meet it’s opening goals while being riddled with QOL degradations to ‘throwing a temper tantrum’ is exactly the kind of dismissive and condescending rhetoric that the NC and MEC peddled throughout these negotiations that alienated so many of the junior pilots and got us to the point we are at now.

I can guarantee you that this vote was much closer than the actual pilot sentiment towards the TA. Don’t forget, there were also about 500 probationary pilots who didn’t get a vote and at the lowest seniority level we had about 78% voting NO. I have talked to several at various longevities who leaned NO for a long time before being scared into holding their nose and voting yes. No matter how you cut it, the MAJORITY of the crew force was not happy with what they were presented, so let’s stop pretending that some small fringe group spoiled this thing for everyone else. MOST OF US VOTED NO.

 

Congratulations on a long and fruitful career/s. It sounds like you and your buddies have multiple pensions and health care outside of FX. Your demographic seems to be single issue voters and you can't blame a man for voting his own interests. As for me and the majority here, we will continue to emotionally throw temper tantrums until we get our way, lol. Thanks for the condescending lesson in how the business world operates by the way. I will say, contract negotiations don't have to take years. How hard is it to just fly your line? How hard is it to set the parking brake when things are not as they should be? How hard is it to tell scheduling I am fatigued? At FX, the answer to all of those questions unfortunately is VERY HARD. This place is full of people who can't unify because they don't think collectively. Culture takes time to change in a corporation and hopefully we are changing for the good. There are far too many guys here who are anti-union individualists who have been sky whoring for years. They spend each and every day refreshing open time to pay for their next toy, divorce, house, vacation, bad investment. If everyone would have just flew their line during Covid this would not be happening now. You would have had a good contract long ago. You were your own worst enemy. In closing, the tide has shifted and it seems this ain't your squadron buddy airline no more Rock. The snowflake, unhinged, emotional cry baby's are steering the ship and they actually care about scope. It is clear you don't but thankfully your voting block is growing more and more impotent.

 

I didn’t say voting down the TA was throwing a temper tantrum. I was referring to Nordhavn’s focus on courage, fear and doom and gloom. And I also didn’t dispute the outcome of the vote. I did say I hoped the people who led the charge to vote it down have a plan to move forward. We’ll see if they do in the coming months. Like I said, I can wait.

 

Although I wasn’t arguing that people who voted no did so based on emotion, you make a pretty good case for that. You also completely destroy any suggestion that you are interested in unity. You’ll note in my initial response to you I said “we” voted the TA down. “We” includes me because we are one pilot group. It’s extremely obvious you disagree. Too bad. Your attitude will just extend the pain we will all suffer as we try to move forward toward a new TA.
I’ll re-emphasize the simple facts I pointed out in the post you responded to. Delta and UAL have a pilot shortage with no near term fix, and passenger traffic has exploded post-COVID. FedEx is currently considerably overmanned and air cargo numbers have plummeted post-COVID. That is the environment in which WE restart our contract negotiations. I hope our new NC has something more to offer than your rants. They’re going to need it.