Yuko

This^^^^^^

Know our worth!

FedUpWilson318

Maybe, but don't misquote me to further your point. ("Ironically, it helped alleviate a few of my concerns with TA1.0")

cargoforlife

Stop entertaining the idea of taking pay from one pilot to pay another pilot. It's infurating that our pilot group is that split. It's exatcly the same mentality of old guys about to retire, FYIGM.
So in your braindead head, you think taking away BKO but getting a raise will be a win. Dude, imagine if you kept BKO and got a raise. Taking BKO away and getting a raise negates the raise. Well, thats for the 777/MD guys. I'm sure you fly o/b's on the 767 and will happily take money away from your coworkers flying 14 hr legs.

MaxRange

Same crowd that doesn't care about R24 going to R16... Or scope-ing the airline to others... Or system bids not being system bids... Or student lines.
"This TA is industry leading because they told us it is!"

JustInFacts

First, how did you come up with that formula for determining average BKO? Seems pretty arbitrary.

Even if your average is correct, that is $1500+ for the average BKO. You think it is ok to take that away to give to someone else? So, the pilot that has over 12 hours of BKO (yes, there are lines that have that) should have to subsidize the pay increase for everyone else?

We truly are our own worst enemy.

Flying Boxes

Thought you were wanting facts based on your username.

It’s called math, you should give it a try sometime.

HvypurplePylot

Because they are desperately trying to staff an airline. They are trying to keep those on property there. They also fought, and were extremely unified with consistent messaging and the backing of their pilot group.

Over here we are trying to find all of our differences and begging to see the survey data to see how different we really are. We have guys literally burning our union down while waiting for a class date at united and delta. The BKO discussion is most likely rooted in we are demanding that Airbus pilots make the same as Delta 777 pilots all while being overstaffed with a company highly motivated to shed manning.

I'm all about fighting, I stood on every picket line for this past negotiating cycle, I'm also a realist. I know this is the internet and reality is just a goofy idea but we really don't have any leverage.

NotMrNiceGuy

Another tired argument. Airbus pilots have made the same WB Delta 777 equivalent since before we even had a 777 on property. It’s been that way for a generation. With BKO out 777 have always been paid more than Delta 777 pilots. I wonder why you never heard UPS pilots saying the 757 pilot pay rate was too high last year when they had a WB pay rate even higher than Delta.

HvypurplePylot

We've also had a 130k pension for close to a generation. Trying to score massive gains in every section while also getting an agreement in less than a decade isn't realistic but hey that fat retro check...

NotMrNiceGuy

In 2006, we had a pension of $130K and industry leading pay.

That 2006 equivalent today would be $201K. So now you’re willing to accept pay rates that are 10% lower in exchange for a pension that is 16% less. Does that about sum up your mentality?

This is the problem. And if the group that is overestimating the value of the A-Plan to such a massive degree keeps going in this direction, the next TA will likely be more lopsided. This pension is becoming an albatross and not worth it.