Specifically, which of the stupid TA QOL losses/changes have they (PM) cleaned out?

How do you know this has occurred?

Thanks.

VR,
DLax

 

They discussed it during the public portion of the video MEC meeting when the NC briefed everyone attending/watching. I don't remember exactly, but I think it was rollback R16 except for something about hotel standby, the AVA provision, the vacation sell back stuff, and maybe some other. They were still discussing the LCA stuff. That's what I remember. I didn't care that much about the specifics I assumed they will evolve. But, I was at least pleased that something was being done/undone. I still think PM is the wrong guy to go forward, but he is still trying.

I get the feeling the NC and the company are just moving around the same money they say they added last time, but I have nothing to back that up.

 

In the recently leaked audio, PD says exactly that. Same pot, shuffle it around. Whether or not that is an immovable position is yet to be determined in negotiations.

 

When the SM succeeds in bringing us TA1.1 with some money shuffled around, a couple of concessions removed, 95% of the negotiating capital and $$$ spent on a-plan, and the same tone-deaf "best TA ever produced" messaging, I think they'll be surprised (again) when it's voted down (again).
Ironically, they are the ones insisting on keeping PM, as any other course would delay negotiations and a TA for months. Wait until TA1.01 gets voted down, and the upheaval that started after TA1.0 really picks up steam. A couple months delay will seem like child's play compared to the years a second failed, rushed TA will cause.

 

The Old Guard. The PM loyalists. They are grasping for their last breath. Eerily similar to Custer’s Last Stand.

 

I hope that such changes aren't enough to get a slim margin of victory due to negotiating fatigue or impatience. That appears to be exactly what the company is counting on.

 

That’s all PM wants too. Make no mistake, he and RB think the no-voters are “crazies” and they both have much disdain for us. They’ve already (probably) texted back and forth with PD and figured out exactly what TA 1.25 will look like.

 

You need to put your tin foil hat back on.

 

I haven't heard leaked audio, but do you think it may have been intentionally leaked to stir the pot? This probably made pilots salivate over a TA 1.1 ASAP and put pressure on the pilot group from removing the NC.

 

Your guess is as good as mine. I couldn't say if there's any '4D chess' at play here.

I've listened to it and PD thinks a deal can be had quickly if we don't go in "asking for the world" (direct quote from the audio). He never explains what he considers to be "asking for the world", but I take that to mean that we better not even ask for industry matching pay/benefits, let alone industry leading. He then lays out the kind of quick fixes that many of us suspect are in the works to barely drag this thing across the finish line: address R16, student lines, scope, add a little more to the APRP (but only because more time had elapsed since the amenable period began).

He acted shocked at the reception to those items from the pilot group and insisted that Freds feelings were hurt that we don't trust the company to not abuse scope. It was stunning, honestly. But more telling was that things like student lines and R16, he was basically saying, 'fine, we'll change it, we don't care that much about those things if it's going to be such a such a point of contention'. So hopefully we don't expend a lot of capital on those items when he admitted in the meeting that the company is willing to fix those items.

Food for thought.