It might have been a bit of airing of laundry, but the posting has completely shutdown those that kept bashing him. He was getting constant acusations from block 7 and several past reps. Low and behold, all of them were on the SM chain. Public shaming did not smell very good, but it was very insightful and as many have said, "the facts don't lie." It also shined a very bright light on those that were hiding in the dark corners. Not all in the SM group were actively participating, but union reps/committee/ex-reps and management pilots working together to try and influence the pilot group towards a TA process cannot be in the regular ALPA line guy/girl best interests. We are already working against management for a contract, we don't need union members working with them against us.

 

you are a moron. I hope you aren’t registered to vote.

 

The truth hurt your feelings? Way to resort to name calling btw. Complete sign of a mature adult right there.

 

kwri10s,

Dirty laundry? How did it shutdown people who continue to "bash him." So anyone who doesn't agree with his tactics is bashing him? I have no issue and don't care if he wanted to look into the SM or any other group for that matter (why not the Freedom Flyers by the way?). I do have an issue that he posted something like that on JF then removed the option to comment? Pretty spineless if you ask me. It should have gone to the entire block at a minimum or gone out as an offical comm. Help me understand how the manifesto was "insightful?" 3 stupid posts out of thousands of comments and you are now going to judge the entire group of 880? I was in Freedom Fliers for 2 weeks....trust me, I saw a lot more that was concerning. Posting this did not help his cause and I don't think this issue is over yet, but who knows.

 

I am heartened to see folks still have fire for their causes. It speaks to our engagement on the issue, an industry leading TA package that honors the superior performance we have provided and continue to provide.

As the year comes to an end and with drill down surveys yet to arrive, here is a manifesto that will benefit us ALL.

NOT a single pilot left behind since amenable date for A plan increase. You have earned to have it included in an industry leading TA. Now, if ever, is not the time to devalue your worth.

All the best for end of year and keep your fire (engagement) burning!

 

Several have stated this is either not legal, or against ALPA policy. Haven't heard or seen any conclusive answer on CURRENT law or policy. Yes, I understand if it is we COULD try to change it given time and effort.

Would be nice if we had the intestinal fortitude to demand and hold out for annual contractual pay and retirement increases post the amenable-date like SWAPA's AIP has. But I doubt we do.

 

The least you can do is email your rep, email the NC.

I have done so on several occasions and not once have they used the words “not legal” or “against” ALPA policy. They did speak to the memberships’ fortitude required for such an undertaking.

I think this is an important issue that will aid our unity for not only this contract cycle but for future iterations.

 

who did you ask? The reps won’t know the correct answer - has to go to our attorneys or , more likely, natl attorneys. You are talking about negotiating for people not part of class and craft - don’t think ALPA would sign on to that (yes the ALPA pres signs all contracts) with the overwhelming potential for multiple DFR suits.

 

I don’t play those games. You can email your rep and the NC as well.

I would also advise if you feel strongly against No pilot left behind (it appears you do), email your rep/NC about that sentiment too. Our engagement, regardless of positions, will only aid in getting us a TA we have earned and deserved.

We will not all be happy about the final product. But, until then save some room on the yet to be delivered drill down surveys for No pilot left behind since amenable date for A plan bump or email your reps.

 

It stopped the bashing of him on JF. I don't care what was going on elsewhere. He didn't post elsewhere. When he was being accused of "secretly" going to ALPA and "trying to have illegal meetings" constantly on JF, showing the emails shut that down. I don't judge the entire group. I don't care about some fringe group. It was the current and past reps that were bashing him about doing stuff not allowed by ALPA. The post showed that was not the case and the bashing stopped. Not sure the rest of the message was needed, but it was very enlighting to see names of people that are "management" and "company senior" postions advocating to keep PM. When the group we are negotiating against want to keep someone that a big number of non management line pilots want to replace it does not smell very good.

It boils down to a difference of opinoin. The keep group (SM) keeps saying PM can do better now....I don't know why. He already said he had achieved the best TA he was capable of, was he lying then? Based on his 7 years of work, when has he ever done better? Because he is smart? Because he's been doing it a long time? what has he ever won? Please point to a NC LOA or MOU that you would say this is an awesome win for us. I can't think of a single one.

Thinking back, none of the math of the TA worked and yet we kept getting sold the same snake oil. "Trust us, ALPA national did the verification" is a complete non-starter for me. A quality TA/LOA/MOU should be able to stand on it's own legs and be approved. When you have to "sell" something vs explain something, then it is not a win. I will conceed with the current restart negotiation at least they cleaned out most of the stupid TA QOL losses/changes. That is a plus in PMs favor. Is he capable of a great TA, possibly, but history says no. BUT!!! I don't know how he can get a good TA when we still have not polled specific items. They are back in the room with no idea what various breakdowns in the full group want. Not all the fault rest with the NC, but most of the Reps that continued to preach how good the TA was even after being rejected are gone. A clean slate all around seems much smarter.