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03-15-2024 | 12:21 PM

#121

plzdontfireme

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stan446

Someone points out something, even thoug its wrong, and its, "lecturing". God, grow a pair.

You don't get to tell people to "grow a pair" when you're the one who's not willing to stand up to the company and fight. Clearly you don't have any either.

03-15-2024 | 12:22 PM

#122

BrulesRulez

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMoon

Not everyone knows this yet. I did this the other day and got a lecture how I was doing it wrong and needed to wait until we are aligned with the runway....fun times. The guy even after looking it up in the FOM, said with the FSM says to do it when aligned. Looks it up, doesn't address it anywhere. Proceeds to keep lecturing.

This is a recurring problem. Things change, someone doesn't get the memo, so when you do it the new way, you get a 20 minute lecture on how you are doing it wrong.

For the 767 it doesnt address it in the FM on when to specfically say it. If I recall correctly, it came out in a seperate document possibly under 767 Hot Topics or Fleet General under the content locker. I remember a couple changes happening such as before the FO/PM said Before Take off Check Complete, Runway xx Verified (when on centerline and verified heading matches). Then it changed to completing and saying Before Take Off Checklist Complete at anytime as long as you had takeoff clearance. Then FO/PM would say Runway xx Verified once on centerline rather than in conjunction with the before takeoff checklist complete verbiage. Of course I can find such document anymore.

03-15-2024 | 12:32 PM

#123

dera

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From: Whale FO

Quote:

Originally Posted by plzdontfireme

Again it's not required. The AIM isn't regulatory and can't require anything. Beat that into your head please. The FOM and FARs are regulatory.

The AIM reference that I think you provided earlier in this thread doesn't even say "must" and only says "should"

It's not a "requirement" as in, you can't be violated if you don't use it. But aligning your FOM with what's in AIM is a common practice. Pretty sure most airlines have it in their FOM. I know the 3 operators I've flown for did, even though in reality hardly anyone says it.

03-15-2024 | 12:36 PM

#124

BlueMoon

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From: FO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stan446

Someone points out something, even thoug its wrong, and its, "lecturing". God, grow a pair.

Except it wasn't just pointing out something. Learn to read.

03-15-2024 | 01:17 PM

#125

MEMFO4Ever

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplewaste2021

waaaaa😥

Popcorn and briefings? Bye

03-15-2024 | 01:51 PM

#126

JackStraw

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From: Wichita

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Originally Posted by MEMFO4Ever

Popcorn and briefings? Bye

The barrage of briefings is exhausting though.

03-15-2024 | 02:07 PM

#127

Elevation

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Quote:

Originally Posted by abides

Also them: Pardon me sir, it’s “runway zero nine”

I say "decimal" because I feel cool. Also it keeps me in the habit when I wind up flying places where English is a controller's second or fifth language.