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Old 09-08-2025 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Callsignfrog
tough to differentiate when it’s not uncommon for guys get off on the fact purple hasn’t furloughed and legacies do with a “look down on their peers” attitude. classless.
As I previously mentioned I have been furloughed. I will never look down on anyone who has to face to that.
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Old 09-09-2025 | 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Callsignfrog
…..wow.

explain what to who?

oh wait, I forgot, toxic management, FedEx, that’s right. You have to constantly worry about your actions and have good reasoning otherwise you will be investigated. got it, not like the rest of the industry where pilots are respected when they call in fatigued and get plenty of rest before returning to work.

pro tip for prospective pilots and those thinking about leaving: run as fast as you can to another airline.
Frog, I am not talking about explaining if you call in fatigued, I am saying that under 121 flag domestic operations that the CAP signing the release is different than the FO signing the fit for duty statement under 117. Read below for another and better reason for waiting until you meet face to face to sign the release.

Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
Regarding signing of the release....it has nothing to do with your competence....or concurrence. A release can always be revised. Before you go slamming everything about our culture, I would suggest you review your FOM.....Years ago in one of our Union Negotiations that some say "Sucks".....we were able to get a bright blue line established and that is in the FOM. If you're a Captain, it should have been emphasized in IOE....

If you really are the "too cool for school, I learned everything I needed to know in a previous life....and I care about my other crew members"....Then you should NEVER sign the release without getting "Eyes On" your FO, and anyone else on your crew. If you don't know why and you're a Captain, I'm tempted to say "Shame on you"......but I've also met a 767 Captain at the Company that didn't know where to find the list of things that could or could not be in the silhouette taxiing in. Perhaps in the short time here with rapid upgrades and trying to make as much Covid Cash as possible,...(.there is so much to learn) that some info drops through the cracks. Especially if you are contemptuous of the culture to begin with.

I'm breaking my long-time APC silence in hopes that someone may heed this and help someone out.

Please go read Appendix H of your FOM. Particularly Paragraph D. Conditional Termination and Paragraph E. Permanent Termination.

Perhaps you can learn from one of the "old guys" whom you probably refer to as a "sell-out" and think has nothing to offer you in terms of career perspective.

I'm on my way to visit a friend (Non-pilot) with a very grim prognosis. Life is too short to be unhappy. We are never guaranteed another day or another bite at the apple. If you're unhappy, stay or go....I really don't care...but too much stress over the long haul can lead to physical illness and in some cases substance problems....right now, he probably is not too worried about whether he wears a tie or not. Take care of yourself....in the end...do what you want...again, I don't care.....but as a Capt.....please don't be so self-important you don't take care of your fellow crew member.
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Old 09-09-2025 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TsimShaTsui
Most of that list is beyond petty. Sure some of it is factual, but most of it makes the SM look mild and that’s saying something. Im junior at purple and have my issues with what’s going on, but good God almighty that poster needs to see a mental health care professional. Purple is this posters first 121 airline and it shows.
So that hiring process at FedEx that's supposed to select the best of the best. The one that weeded out so many of us, worthless slobs. That's who you guys were selecting?
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Old 09-09-2025 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Elevation
So that hiring process at FedEx that's supposed to select the best of the best. The one that weeded out so many of us, worthless slobs. That's who you guys were selecting?
Apparently so. Of course I know lots of “winners” at every airline.
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Old 09-09-2025 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamo
What a stupid statement. Every other airline under 117 has to have both pilots “sign”. It’s only here that people tip toe around captain signing. How about this, if you don’t like something as an FO, refuse the jet! You ain’t gonna get courtmarshalled. Sometimes I tell my FO’s, I already signed. If you dont like something, we will change it. full stop. Much worse consequence for both pilots if the CA forgets to sign because any number of nonstandard scenarios. Why are so many at this company mindlessly brainwashed?
Jamo, perfect way of saying you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about.
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Old 09-09-2025 | 06:04 PM
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Dear god the tribalism hiring you guys practiced really is coming home to roost.

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Old 09-10-2025 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by meahPilot
Dear god the tribalism hiring you guys practiced really is coming home to roost.
New to APC? It’s the hiring from the 1999 - 2005 that’s coming home to roost.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TsimShaTsui
New to APC? It’s the hiring from the 1999 - 2005 that’s coming home to roost.
Man you got this all messed up. Lots and lots of furloughees from majors were hired during that time. You ain't gonna find a more militant, anti-company group. To be fair it's a group with a love/hate relationship with ALPA though, given that ALPA "represented" them as they lost their jobs.
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Old 09-10-2025 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
Man you got this all messed up. Lots and lots of furloughees from majors were hired during that time. You ain't gonna find a more militant, anti-company group. To be fair it's a group with a love/hate relationship with ALPA though, given that ALPA "represented" them as they lost their jobs.
So who makes the majority of the SM?
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Old 09-10-2025 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
Man you got this all messed up. Lots and lots of furloughees from majors were hired during that time. You ain't gonna find a more militant, anti-company group. To be fair it's a group with a love/hate relationship with ALPA though, given that ALPA "represented" them as they lost their jobs.
Originally Posted by TsimShaTsui
So who makes the majority of the SM?
90's hires. Most of the 2000-2005 group has 10 or more years left and a lost decade already in the books. We ain't looking to get shorted again. We've all read this management playbook cover-to-cover already. I'm not sure how old you are, but those of us who already took a foray through the golden decade of airline bankruptcies and contract decimation aren't really looking to placate a management team whose course was plotted by activist investors and the guise of "shareholder value". We know how that ends.
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