Look! They get holiday pay! We have to provide a doctor's note if we happen to fall sick on a "selected holiday".

We too, should get holiday pay, for any holiday we currently have to provide a sick note.

 

Justin H will defend his ego to his last dying breath because how can anyone as awesome as he work for a B-list airline?

 

Did I say that the trip had a layover? No, I was describing an out and back. So you might be home for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I understand how the passenger carriers operate, and it is much different than an OVER NIGHT freight company. I guess too many people got caught up in the people posting that it was easy for a second year FO to make over $300,000 here at one point. Hope things are going well for you at American. Sorry you just can't shake your anger at Fedex.

 

You’re right, the AM O&B lines would be the exception to what I said. Some even credited ~7 hours per day (GTF for example) due to hard block time. Those lines went quite senior while I was there and there weren’t many of them on my fleet.

It’s not about being angry, it’s about providing an honest picture of the operation as well as realistic expectations.

 

I think he was advocating on your behalf for improvements to work rules.
You are like a battered spouse. Someone suggest you could be treated better and instead of saying “Yeah, I am worth more”, you come back claiming we have no idea how great things are at home and how our spouses are just as awful and we just don’t understand how your house runs.

Please don’t reply explaining that you were just trying to clarify the details. I know this time it wasn’t really FedEx’s fault and it was just a misunderstanding.

 

If you took “lazy bum” as an offense, my apologies. I intended it as good natured collegial ribbing. I meant it only to say that if you were being genuine in your debate, you could’ve easily looked up the pairings that easily show our disparity with our peers. But instead you wanted others to do the digging. Lazy? Yes. But maybe not worth the “bum”. Apologies.

Pedantic? That’s just an adjective. Definitions have multiple meanings. An Insult from your research is over broad and not my intended use. My usage was one who unduly emphasizes minutiae in the presentation or use of knowledge. I think that definition was on point. Your intention was not to debate the point about the disparity in our rigs from the industry. It was to nullify his whole argument by finding one meaningless flaw in the argument. Which I think is disingenuous.

The examples I gave of a 17 hour 4-day and an 11 hour 3-day are egregious enough to prove the point.

 

First, I completely agree that FedEx is behind the times on may things, but the specific items I highlighted are very current and if they are not at all carriers, they will be soon.

The FAA automation working group report first came out in 2013, and the draft revision has been circulated. Recommendations on keeping hands on the throttles during certain phases, particularly mode transitions (obviously not for Airbus) as well as who is programming the FMS in climbs and descents is still very current. I did not mean to imply that they should be on at all times, I misread the initial post. All the time is not something we even did on the 727!

The FSF recommendations are very current. The 2 minute debrief originated from Convergent Performance, but many operators have since adopted it. I just prefer to to it enroute to the hotel or the bar!

 

Sorry it hurt your feelings, as to the brief, I guess you didn't actually read it!

 

**** off with your debriefs

 

it is interesting how folks project feelings onto posts. as if my feelings were hurt. my point was, these forums aren’t great for long form answers to different topics spanning the globe. if you can’t be brilliant, be brief, because the former you are not. hope this doesn’t hurt your feelings. peace.