I started out my career as a young gun during the lost years. It was a long time in the right seat and I’ve experienced brutal management at its finest. I understand what you’re saying now. I’m in error with the 2000s hires.

 

Believe it or not, prior to 2001 at FDX it was policy not to hire furloughees. When they got the postal contract they broke with that rule for the first time. The people hired at that point were actually the first ones to bring with them any semblance of a "normal" airline culture. It used to be much further off the reservation. I realize that's probably difficult to believe but it was much more screwed up than it is now.

The people that were at FDX before that time had never flown with anyone who had even worked at a major. They bleed the corporate shade of purple. They are 90% of the SM.

 

Wasn't our current NC at a major before he came here? I'm sure he wasn't the only one.

 

He’s furloughed AA from the early 1990s recession. He talks about it on the podcast when he became NC Chairman. His wife was an AA FA.

FDX hired a lot of furloughed guys from the early 1990s recession. Many from AA/DAL especially, only to have many return to their airlines when recalls started. Supposedly left a bad taste for Pilot Recruitment.

9/11 occurs and the company passed on the furloughed. They had the Scarlet Letter-F=furloughed.

Poor taste to me given the post 9/11 environment and that our System Chief Pilot at the time was an Eastern refugee and there was a large group of Eastern refugees at FDX. (I’ve flown with a lot of ex-Eastern, Non-Scabs-and they are/were great guys).

From my understanding, The System Chief Pilot got a call from the USAir System Chief Pilot who pleaded with him to take the furloughed USAir guys as they weren’t coming back. For those who are too young too know, USAir furloughed back to the USAir/Piedmont guys, I believe around 2,000 from the bottom. I’ve flown with guys here who were part of that and had DOH of 1988/1989. USAir had started to hire again in the late 1990s/early 2000s like most of the Legacy carriers at the time. All of the ex-USAir guys are great too honestly.

I was hired after the big wave of the furloughed guys started to come in 2004 from USAir. Fortunately, the company saw the error in their ways and embraced the furloughed. My class was a mix of AA/UAL/NWA guys. I am a Regional/LCC guy and always appreciate flying with the furloughed guys from 9/11, as I say, by and large, great guys/girls.

God speed to all those affected by the monumental events today. 24 years-Never Forget, I never will.

 

It's amazing to see generational wealth opportunities going around us in the industry, at regionals, "low" cost carriers, and the majors.

Sad that we are not able to participate. Especially for those who suffered through much more difficult times, now only to be further screwed by the system here.

Not sure how ALPA can take a harder line with its wayward members, if a bunch of male Karens are going to run to HR and cry about being molested.

 

Reminds me of decent quote, “Some of us See, Some of us See once we’re shown, Some of us will never See”. I don’t expect ALPA to solve the problem entirely. What I do expect is for them to educate, inform, and set expectations. When you say “harder line”, I haven’t seen any “lines”. Literally nothing has come from Union Leadership regarding this issue. That’s a problem.

 

Status Quo: During the status quo period, the parties may not engage in "self-help," meaning that the union may not strike or engage in other job actions and the Company may not unilaterally change the contractual rates of pay, rules or working conditions. However, either party has the right to engage in lawful activity designed to educate and inform its constituency or the public of its position, such as informational picketing.

Court decisions over the years have set parameters as to what constitutes lawful activity by the parties during the status quo period.

Highlight RULES or WORKING CONDITIONS
Highlight EDUCATE AND INFORM

No previous precedent established for our construct of 4a2c.

 

More incorrect information. FedEx hired 93-94 in furloughs from the majors in94-96 Then when they got recalled and part of the recall they were made whole for their furloughed time. So a lot of them left FedEx and went back to their old jobs. Hence the reason why JL the chief pilot at the time made the policy to not hire furloughed pilots.

 

crazy that people would leave such a wonderful place 30 years ago to go back to the dumpy legacies……..idiots!!!!!!!!

 

Only DL guys were made whole. Got all their time back for pay, vacation, etc. AA did not offer this perk in totality. I think DL started calling them back late 1995 or early 96. 95% went back.