Wolf Pack
04-15-2024 | 04:53 AM
#41
Line Holder
Joined: Aug 2023
Posts: 703
Likes: 56
A seniority based system for open time is used by other carriers.
A seniority based system would not fix the amount of time it takes for open time requests to process. In order for it to be truly seniority based, there would have to be a window for submissions for the trips.
In my opinion, if we went to a real time trip trading system, there would have to be a phase in period of at least a year or two so that the pilots who have dropped trips and have a make-up bank have the oportunity to get those hours back. That would mean that in order to increase the value of your line, you must have hours in your make-up bank.
Maybe this is something for the next round of negotiations, but if you read the LEC 26 update, we are still on the focused track.
A seniority based system would not fix the amount of time it takes for open time requests to process. In order for it to be truly seniority based, there would have to be a window for submissions for the trips.
In my opinion, if we went to a real time trip trading system, there would have to be a phase in period of at least a year or two so that the pilots who have dropped trips and have a make-up bank have the oportunity to get those hours back. That would mean that in order to increase the value of your line, you must have hours in your make-up bank.
Maybe this is something for the next round of negotiations, but if you read the LEC 26 update, we are still on the focused track.
04-15-2024 | 04:57 AM
#42
Line Holder
Joined: Aug 2023
Posts: 703
Likes: 56
Senior guys have had their chance at the best lines, bid LCA's, the best training slots, the best vacations, the best view add. They have had their chance to make their best schedules. Open time should NOT be seniority based, the way it works is just fine, if you want to put in the work to better your schedule. We already have industry bottom reserve rules that the junior guys like me have to live with and the senior guys never wanted to fix.
With that said, real time trip trading would be great. We need that. But the same players would still get the trips because at the end of the day, they are still faster and on open time 24/7. Now extensions are a different story.
With that said, real time trip trading would be great. We need that. But the same players would still get the trips because at the end of the day, they are still faster and on open time 24/7. Now extensions are a different story.
04-15-2024 | 05:12 AM
#43
Line Holder
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 781
Likes: 0
From: Wichita
Senior guys are always looking for ways to make this job even worse, as long as it benefits them now that they’re senior.
04-15-2024 | 05:41 AM
#44
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 600
Likes: 0
04-15-2024 | 05:52 AM
#45
On Reserve
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
I understand the point you’re trying to make. But I’ve been here seven years and I have never received a trip on the day of open time release. Never had that problem before FedEx with seniority based OT. I’ve submitted using the atomic clock in the background and still get beat on the time stamp. 100% of the time.
04-15-2024 | 06:42 AM
#48
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 600
Likes: 0
There is a subset of pilots with seniority #s around 600,000 to 1,000,000 who have had it far worse. Not your fault, but stop acting/complaining like this is a first for the seniority list. It’s not the senior pilots fault either.
The current situation can be avoided/reduced with a better contract with a retirement boost. (That is beneficial to junior pilots as well). Crazy contract demands will only make the pain last longer. Stop complaining and start working together for a better future. It’s not the senior pilots fault, it’s the executives/managements fault.
04-15-2024 | 06:49 AM
#49
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2023
Posts: 33
Likes: 0
I think a good start would be just fixing the holes in the ship, if everyone had true equal and fair access that is a good place to go back to. It is ripe for other changes, in general, but eliminating the obvious and glaring special system that has run uncontested for many many years needs to stop. People in CRS are the real problem and that is obvious to anyone who has tried to pick up a trip now and then that says XTRA. Without the CRS collusion, this doesn't happen over and over again.
04-15-2024 | 10:53 AM
#50
On Reserve
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
I've done the same and gotten beaten every time. Atomic clock, .5 seconds prior hit submit, and still get time stamped. I don't know if someone has a program that can beat it or maybe being in Memphis closer to the servers? Either way I don't even bother with open time release anymore. Not worth the hassle.
I think the only thing needing to be fixed is getting rid of CRS collusion and adding real time trip trading. Problem is, the guys hawking open time would still grab the great trips, but now you wouldn't even know they hit open time. No more PNP would be great.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
