FedEx Hiring
08-20-2018 | 06:39 AM
#3031
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If UPS had a B scale like Fedex (757), lesser overall retirement benefits, lesser baseline guarantee, maybe the 757 would also have a 2-3 year upgrade as well. The grass is always greener on the “other side”.
And by the way, 18 month seniority on MD at Fedex is most definitely not 57% seniority, more like 80%. Big difference.
For prospective job seekers, the global picture is the best piece of the puzzle. As a guy who recently had offers from Fedex, UPS and a Legacy, I can say one thing. NO one job is better than the other. No doubt whatsoever Fedex (this being a Fedex thread) is an absolutely wonderful job, great company, great benefits, people, etc. No doubt whatsoever. But, to paint somewhat inaccurate pictures only serves to provide misleading information to potential new hires.
The upgrade in the 757 at Fedex is running at 2-3 years, but only because the 757 is on a B scale and the schedules are aweful. I have at least 4 friends at Fedex with 10+ years, 2 in the MD, 2 in the AB, that would not touch the 757 PIC with a 10 ft pole. The difference in pay, loss of QOL, etc, is simply not worth it. As a 10+ year SIC in the MD you can make close to base pay as a 757 PIC.
Again, not bashing Purple at all, whoever gets hired there is very fortunate, but the numbers being thrown around (percentages) are not entirely accurate.
And by the way, 18 month seniority on MD at Fedex is most definitely not 57% seniority, more like 80%. Big difference.
For prospective job seekers, the global picture is the best piece of the puzzle. As a guy who recently had offers from Fedex, UPS and a Legacy, I can say one thing. NO one job is better than the other. No doubt whatsoever Fedex (this being a Fedex thread) is an absolutely wonderful job, great company, great benefits, people, etc. No doubt whatsoever. But, to paint somewhat inaccurate pictures only serves to provide misleading information to potential new hires.
The upgrade in the 757 at Fedex is running at 2-3 years, but only because the 757 is on a B scale and the schedules are aweful. I have at least 4 friends at Fedex with 10+ years, 2 in the MD, 2 in the AB, that would not touch the 757 PIC with a 10 ft pole. The difference in pay, loss of QOL, etc, is simply not worth it. As a 10+ year SIC in the MD you can make close to base pay as a 757 PIC.
Again, not bashing Purple at all, whoever gets hired there is very fortunate, but the numbers being thrown around (percentages) are not entirely accurate.
08-20-2018 | 07:50 AM
#3032
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What recruitment is saying is simply misleading. When they say half the pilot group will be replaced the next 7 years, to ANY normal individual, that would mean half of almost 5,000 pilots, or 2,500 pilot will be replaced in the next 7 years, which is simply false.
I think the statement may have been heard or relayed incorrectly by the poster.
The statement I heard (from a Block Rep) was that "if hiring and retirements continue at the same rates, by the time we are voting on the next contract half of the seniority list will have been on property 7 years or less."
Which is a very different statement from a technical point of view, since it includes the people hired (about 1,200 newhires so far) and retired from '15 through then.
08-20-2018 | 08:49 AM
#3033
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The statement in regards to replacing half the list was stated in March. So lets take that as the starting point. If you look at data on early retirements (A lot go at 63ish union data), medical outs and the biggest factor growth this is definetely truthful. Look at the firm orders alone and assume all the MD-10-10 get parked and you come up with about half of the seniority list of the company in 7 years. The most recent fleet updates for the past 2 years have stated MD-11 and AB 300’s will be around for quit some time bc of the younger age of the airframes. Its not a smoke in mirrors number when looking at all those factors. Can this change if the economy tanks? Of course. I think the statment of recruitment is assuming the size of the seniority list in 7 years and all the factors above and then coming up with half the list.
08-20-2018 | 10:13 AM
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Well, considering the FQS ranks is down to the lowest number almost ever, around 120-130, from over 200+, it is definitely trending in the right direction. So “hundreds” is most definitely very innacurate and “replacement work force”???. They could maybe move a quarter of the fleet, and a big maybe. No one is denying what happened with the unnecessary furlough, but that is not the point I was trying to make. Pilot supply and demand market has changed the landscape.
I think we are going off on a tangent. People post misleading info such as relative seniority movement in fleets, half the pilot group being replaced in 7 years (not true), etc. Potential new hires see this and go in with false expectations. Simply pick the job you want for your own personal reasons and run with it. Fedex, UPS, a Legacy, SW, you can’t go wrong, all very good jobs.
I think we are going off on a tangent. People post misleading info such as relative seniority movement in fleets, half the pilot group being replaced in 7 years (not true), etc. Potential new hires see this and go in with false expectations. Simply pick the job you want for your own personal reasons and run with it. Fedex, UPS, a Legacy, SW, you can’t go wrong, all very good jobs.
You obviously have a bone to pick with FedEx being that you made a B scale comment. So does every passenger airline have a B scale since they pay different rates based on AC size? I’m guessing you are miserable and wish you chose purple over brown. I’m sorry you chose wrong bud.
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08-20-2018 | 12:23 PM
#3035
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Well, considering the FQS ranks is down to the lowest number almost ever, around 120-130, from over 200+, it is definitely trending in the right direction. So “hundreds” is most definitely very innacurate and “replacement work force”???. They could maybe move a quarter of the fleet, and a big maybe. No one is denying what happened with the unnecessary furlough, but that is not the point I was trying to make. Pilot supply and demand market has changed the landscape.
I think we are going off on a tangent. People post misleading info such as relative seniority movement in fleets, half the pilot group being replaced in 7 years (not true), etc. Potential new hires see this and go in with false expectations. Simply pick the job you want for your own personal reasons and run with it. Fedex, UPS, a Legacy, SW, you can’t go wrong, all very good jobs.
I think we are going off on a tangent. People post misleading info such as relative seniority movement in fleets, half the pilot group being replaced in 7 years (not true), etc. Potential new hires see this and go in with false expectations. Simply pick the job you want for your own personal reasons and run with it. Fedex, UPS, a Legacy, SW, you can’t go wrong, all very good jobs.
Are you referring to the flying Western Global is doing for UPS that the IPA is grieving? Or is this something else on top of that?
I feel that you randomly bringing up UPS was the original tangent on a Fedex thread.
Also keep in mind that your actual bid percentage is much better because a substantial amount of pilots are in pay only status because of things such as medical, mil leave, instructors not bidding etc. In most WB fleets this betters your bidding percentage by about 10%.
The statement in regards to replacing half the list was stated in March. So lets take that as the starting point. If you look at data on early retirements (A lot go at 63ish union data), medical outs and the biggest factor growth this is definetely truthful. Look at the firm orders alone and assume all the MD-10-10 get parked and you come up with about half of the seniority list of the company in 7 years. The most recent fleet updates for the past 2 years have stated MD-11 and AB 300’s will be around for quit some time bc of the younger age of the airframes. Its not a smoke in mirrors number when looking at all those factors. Can this change if the economy tanks? Of course. I think the statment of recruitment is assuming the size of the seniority list in 7 years and all the factors above and then coming up with half the list.
The fleet plan, according to the company’s SEC filing, show the same number of aircraft retiring that we are receiving. I also thought it was showing a growing fleet until I looked at it more closely. The last earnings call they did say that they are flexible and increase the fleet by not parking some of the aircraft.
08-20-2018 | 04:52 PM
#3036
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So I've a question regarding the post college stuff... I entered AD Military right after High School... I didn't complete my college degree until almost 15 years later.
Do I not add all of that military and civilian work history prior to the degree?
Only the time after my college degree??
Do I not add all of that military and civilian work history prior to the degree?
Only the time after my college degree??
08-20-2018 | 05:33 PM
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Are you referring to the flying Western Global is doing for UPS that the IPA is grieving? Or is this something else on top of that?
I feel that you randomly bringing up UPS was the original tangent on a Fedex thread.
How does this change your bidding percentage? If there is only 250 lines and you bid 200, it doesn’t change the math that there are pay only pilots ahead of you. They only build as many lines as there are available pilots to bid them.
The fleet plan, according to the company’s SEC filing, show the same number of aircraft retiring that we are receiving. I also thought it was showing a growing fleet until I looked at it more closely. The last earnings call they did say that they are flexible and increase the fleet by not parking some of the aircraft.
I feel that you randomly bringing up UPS was the original tangent on a Fedex thread.
How does this change your bidding percentage? If there is only 250 lines and you bid 200, it doesn’t change the math that there are pay only pilots ahead of you. They only build as many lines as there are available pilots to bid them.
The fleet plan, according to the company’s SEC filing, show the same number of aircraft retiring that we are receiving. I also thought it was showing a growing fleet until I looked at it more closely. The last earnings call they did say that they are flexible and increase the fleet by not parking some of the aircraft.
08-22-2018 | 07:15 AM
#3038
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Has the fleet grown the past 2 years? Has the seniority list grown in the last 2 years? The answer to both is yes. The seniority list has grown by 200ish both years. We are over 4800 on the seniority list. I’m just using actual data and fleet plan memo. If you were hired 1.5 years ago you have almost 700 Jr to you. So is this all retirement replacement? Of course not we have only retired about 100-125 give or take each year. It’s growth.
Yes, so what they said on the earnings call has been true so far. I was just pointing out that this seems to be purposely flexible from management’s perspective. Things may change tomorrow and the fleet plan could be to just replace aircraft that are parked, as the SEC document shows.
08-22-2018 | 08:29 PM
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