Hacker15e

I think the statement may have been heard or relayed incorrectly by the poster.

The statement I heard (from a Block Rep) was that "if hiring and retirements continue at the same rates, by the time we are voting on the next contract half of the seniority list will have been on property 7 years or less."

Which is a very different statement from a technical point of view, since it includes the people hired (about 1,200 newhires so far) and retired from '15 through then.

Noworkallplay

The statement in regards to replacing half the list was stated in March. So lets take that as the starting point. If you look at data on early retirements (A lot go at 63ish union data), medical outs and the biggest factor growth this is definetely truthful. Look at the firm orders alone and assume all the MD-10-10 get parked and you come up with about half of the seniority list of the company in 7 years. The most recent fleet updates for the past 2 years have stated MD-11 and AB 300’s will be around for quit some time bc of the younger age of the airframes. Its not a smoke in mirrors number when looking at all those factors. Can this change if the economy tanks? Of course. I think the statment of recruitment is assuming the size of the seniority list in 7 years and all the factors above and then coming up with half the list.

Noworkallplay

If you were hired onto the MD 11 1.5 years ago your actual bidding seniority would be about 65%. In Sept MEM had 424 pilots in the right seat of MD and 66 of those who are more senior than a 1.5 year guy/gal are in a non bidding status. My first post was a wag on actual bidding seniority on each fleet and was a very close guess. My second post was exact seniority from the seniority list in each seat rounded to the nearest percentage. Notice how much fluctuation the actual bidding seniority is. I’m not passing false information these are the numbers.

You obviously have a bone to pick with FedEx being that you made a B scale comment. So does every passenger airline have a B scale since they pay different rates based on AC size? I’m guessing you are miserable and wish you chose purple over brown. I’m sorry you chose wrong bud.

FXLAX

Are you referring to the flying Western Global is doing for UPS that the IPA is grieving? Or is this something else on top of that?

I feel that you randomly bringing up UPS was the original tangent on a Fedex thread.

How does this change your bidding percentage? If there is only 250 lines and you bid 200, it doesn’t change the math that there are pay only pilots ahead of you. They only build as many lines as there are available pilots to bid them.




The fleet plan, according to the company’s SEC filing, show the same number of aircraft retiring that we are receiving. I also thought it was showing a growing fleet until I looked at it more closely. The last earnings call they did say that they are flexible and increase the fleet by not parking some of the aircraft.

positvr8

You can add as much as you'd like, and if I were in your shoes, I would as it highlights your military service. Back to college is the minimum.

Noworkallplay

Has the fleet grown the past 2 years? Has the seniority list grown in the last 2 years? The answer to both is yes. The seniority list has grown by 200ish both years. We are over 4800 on the seniority list. I’m just using actual data and fleet plan memo. If you were hired 1.5 years ago you have almost 700 Jr to you. So is this all retirement replacement? Of course not we have only retired about 100-125 give or take each year. It’s growth.

FXLAX

Yes, so what they said on the earnings call has been true so far. I was just pointing out that this seems to be purposely flexible from management’s perspective. Things may change tomorrow and the fleet plan could be to just replace aircraft that are parked, as the SEC document shows.

Weekendwarrior2

Anyone have recommendations for an application review geared towards FedEx/pilot credentials in general? Tried searching but came up with nothing.

Micolay

checkedandset.net They do a very thorough job. I think it is cheaper if you order it through Emerald Coast Interview Consulting. Good luck!

Adlerdriver

It may or it may not. If there are 50 pay-only pilots ahead of you on the list, you're not 200 - you're 150.
The lines a P/O pilot gets awarded still gets awarded to someone else further down the list. So, the ones in front of you don't count. The ones behind you just reduce the total number of pilots you would use to do the math on what your actual percentage is.

30 pilots and you're bidding #15 (50%)

With 10 P/O pilots in front of you, now you're technically bidding 5 out of 20 (25%).

An even split, 5 ahead and 5 behind, that's 10 out of 20, so you're back to 50%.

Obviously the percentage calculated isn't really as important as the number of P/O pilots in front of you, which move your actual bidding position closer to #1 and give you access to that many more choices.

When the bid for Oct comes out, check out the "you're bidding X out of Y" numbers you see when you click on the link on the PFC homepage to submit your bid. The way they come up with those numbers is by removing the P/O pilots from the bid numbers. Go to the bid seniority list in the Oct bidpack, find your name and number there, subtract the number of P/O pilots ahead of you from your number and the total P/O pilots from the actual total, you'll get the numbers displayed on the bid submission page.