FDX-Fruitful Week?
08-18-2015 | 05:45 PM
#162
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From: MD11 F/O
Yes. Satisfied?
However, a few pages back someone said a vote to strike was not really a vote to strike, but an authorization to do so.
If I am presented with a vote to strike, I will weigh my options carefully.
I repeat. A strike will be to our long term detriment. Working to the rule will be just as effective and less costly to us and the company. Any cost incurred to the company by a strike will be taken out of our hides eventually. Working to the rule is a smarter way to get what we deserve, if it comes to that.
Why do you want to strike so badly?
However, a few pages back someone said a vote to strike was not really a vote to strike, but an authorization to do so.
If I am presented with a vote to strike, I will weigh my options carefully.
I repeat. A strike will be to our long term detriment. Working to the rule will be just as effective and less costly to us and the company. Any cost incurred to the company by a strike will be taken out of our hides eventually. Working to the rule is a smarter way to get what we deserve, if it comes to that.
Why do you want to strike so badly?
08-18-2015 | 05:47 PM
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08-18-2015 | 06:52 PM
#164
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I'm sorry that you inferred that I wanted a strike. I was asking if you would scab if a lawful strike was called here since you said" I would be in favor of everything short of strike". I don't know if you will support something you're not in favor of. It's a tough call for some. Do you realize the company's freedom in self help also? Last time we tried work to the rule during self help it was easily countered with 200% draft for a divided crew force.
08-18-2015 | 07:04 PM
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What I said was that you and a few others here continue to post divisive comments, at a time when unity is what's called for. To make matters worse, you, like myself, are not a player in this drawn-out drama, so why not hush up and sit back and watch the show.
08-18-2015 | 07:20 PM
#166
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ALPA is supposed to represent all members of the seniority list equally.
If they don't include the 25k payment in this contract, then they will have not represented me equally. What about that is so hard for you to understand?
They said they got the FE's back in the front seat because "it was the right thing to do".
I say giving everyone the 25K that some got in the last contract is the "right thing to do".
Why is that so hard to understand?
The company wants to give the new hires a different retirement account. Why should I care? Because it will lead to this exact type of division within the seniority list.
If you are in favor of giving a special bonus or special deal to those that retire under this contract, are you also in favor or screwing the new hires out of our retirement plan?
So, you asked me if someone else got a better deal than I did, would I vote no? The answer is heck yes. I am not about to vote in favor of screwing myself.
Self help is another matter. I would prefer not to be in self help, and if we do go to self help, I would be in favor of everything short of strike. I don't think a strike is a good idea for many reasons, and I think we can get what we deserve by working to the rule.
If they don't include the 25k payment in this contract, then they will have not represented me equally. What about that is so hard for you to understand?
They said they got the FE's back in the front seat because "it was the right thing to do".
I say giving everyone the 25K that some got in the last contract is the "right thing to do".
Why is that so hard to understand?
The company wants to give the new hires a different retirement account. Why should I care? Because it will lead to this exact type of division within the seniority list.
If you are in favor of giving a special bonus or special deal to those that retire under this contract, are you also in favor or screwing the new hires out of our retirement plan?
So, you asked me if someone else got a better deal than I did, would I vote no? The answer is heck yes. I am not about to vote in favor of screwing myself.
Self help is another matter. I would prefer not to be in self help, and if we do go to self help, I would be in favor of everything short of strike. I don't think a strike is a good idea for many reasons, and I think we can get what we deserve by working to the rule.
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08-18-2015 | 08:12 PM
#167
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Idle hands and minds truly are the devil's workshop. TonyC's idea is pretty good...but it doesn't matter until next contract. I don't give a rip about all your little pet peeves. Y'all sound like you're conjecturing on a will and already arguing about what you may or not be left by a dead uncle. No wonder the company thinks they can have you cheap. As you were. My negotiating committee speaks for me! I'll like what they say I'll like and they asked me my opinion...and to help them work on my behalf i will support them....period.
08-18-2015 | 08:15 PM
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This thread has really degraded quickly, thanks in large part to Mayday Mark and a few others. The past is the past. This upcoming contract is NOT the previous contract. You clowns need to maintain your resolve and your esprit de corps, while keeping your eye on the ball and when a TA is produced, read it, understand it, then vote on it.
Mark, aren't you out on LTD, never to return? If so, perhaps it's time to back away from drudging up the past, as the fact is that you didn't make out so badly.
Nightflyer, you say:
But since there are guys on property that had received that $25K windfall, way back when, wouldn't it be wrong to give them another $25K? I mean, they'd still be $25K ahead of you. Now how fair would that be
Seriously, you guys need to remain united and shout down those who are trying to fracture your unity.
Mark, aren't you out on LTD, never to return? If so, perhaps it's time to back away from drudging up the past, as the fact is that you didn't make out so badly.
Nightflyer, you say:
But since there are guys on property that had received that $25K windfall, way back when, wouldn't it be wrong to give them another $25K? I mean, they'd still be $25K ahead of you. Now how fair would that be
Seriously, you guys need to remain united and shout down those who are trying to fracture your unity.
Your quote above is where someone might get the idea you want to give the older guys another $25K. Thats not what was suggested by Nightflyer that would cause him to vote no. He means, and you probably know this but are acting obtuse, that everybody ought to get $25K when they turn 53, just like the guys who did in the 2006 contract. Nobody who already got it would get another, but those of us who didn't would when we turned that age. Simple enough for you?
08-19-2015 | 03:44 PM
#169
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From: 767 Captain
MEC Chairman Message 19AUG15
After a briefing from the Negotiating Committee earlier today, the MEC passed the following resolution concerning contract negotiations:
Whereas, the MEC has received a full briefing concerning a mediation framework designed to lead to a tentative agreement,
Whereas, the MEC has fully considered the merits of turning the mediation framework into a tentative agreement,
Whereas, the MEC believes that the mediation framework represents an agreement in principle,
Therefore be it resolved that the MEC instructs the Negotiating Committee to complete language related to the mediation framework so that the MEC may review it as a tentative agreement.
Whereas, the MEC has received a full briefing concerning a mediation framework designed to lead to a tentative agreement,
Whereas, the MEC has fully considered the merits of turning the mediation framework into a tentative agreement,
Whereas, the MEC believes that the mediation framework represents an agreement in principle,
Therefore be it resolved that the MEC instructs the Negotiating Committee to complete language related to the mediation framework so that the MEC may review it as a tentative agreement.
08-19-2015 | 03:46 PM
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As I asked in the other thread, can someone explain what this means?
Does that mean we are entering into mediation?
Or do we have a "verbal agreement" that needs to be converted into legal language?
Can someone explain what this means?
Does that mean we are entering into mediation?
Or do we have a "verbal agreement" that needs to be converted into legal language?
Can someone explain what this means?
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