mcdbirdman

So let me get this straight. If the current offer on the table is Industry leading AND it includes an incentive for these "old guys" to retire then some on this thread want to go to self help because someone got more than me. Please tell me I'm in a alternate universe and this is not real.

MaxKts

You are in an alternate universe and this is not real.

mcdbirdman

Thanks for the confirmation MaxKts! It made me laugh

Nightflyer

The old guys already got a 25K "incentive", which they get to keep whether they retire before 65 or not.

You want to give them more?

Please tell me I am in an alternative universe and this is not real.

mcdbirdman

So I take it you want to go to self help because some group that's "not you" got more? Using that logic why don't we do away with this terrible wage discrepancy between Capts and FOs?

Huck

Wow. Just, wow.

FDXLAG

It really does depend on the deal. I haven't seen any offers yet, I am keeping a open mind, but I would prefer we all get treated equally and we don't take money from some to give to others. Would you vote yes if they gave 1st officers a 30% raise and Captains a 15% raise? Sometimes with ALPA you have to wait and see. Always with the company you have to wait and see.

Nightflyer

ALPA is supposed to represent all members of the seniority list equally.

If they don't include the 25k payment in this contract, then they will have not represented me equally. What about that is so hard for you to understand?

They said they got the FE's back in the front seat because "it was the right thing to do".

I say giving everyone the 25K that some got in the last contract is the "right thing to do".

Why is that so hard to understand?

The company wants to give the new hires a different retirement account. Why should I care? Because it will lead to this exact type of division within the seniority list.

If you are in favor of giving a special bonus or special deal to those that retire under this contract, are you also in favor or screwing the new hires out of our retirement plan?

So, you asked me if someone else got a better deal than I did, would I vote no? The answer is heck yes. I am not about to vote in favor of screwing myself.

Self help is another matter. I would prefer not to be in self help, and if we do go to self help, I would be in favor of everything short of strike. I don't think a strike is a good idea for many reasons, and I think we can get what we deserve by working to the rule.

TonyC

We've discussed this many times, at length. ALPA didn't lobby to change the Regulated Age -- that was already going to happen. ALPA lobbied to limit the damage the change could have done.






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Jetjok

This thread has really degraded quickly, thanks in large part to Mayday Mark and a few others. The past is the past. This upcoming contract is NOT the previous contract. You clowns need to maintain your resolve and your esprit de corps, while keeping your eye on the ball and when a TA is produced, read it, understand it, then vote on it.

Mark, aren't you out on LTD, never to return? If so, perhaps it's time to back away from drudging up the past, as the fact is that you didn't make out so badly.

Nightflyer, you say:

But since there are guys on property that had received that $25K windfall, way back when, wouldn't it be wrong to give them another $25K? I mean, they'd still be $25K ahead of you. Now how fair would that be

Seriously, you guys need to remain united and shout down those who are trying to fracture your unity.