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Old 08-19-2015 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by champ42272
It means that we have a TA.

My concern is will we get to see the language regardless of the MEC vote?

If "hard decisions" need to be made, logic dictates that we didn't get everything we wanted, although that is true of any collectively bargained agreement.

I have said in previous TA's that I would decide whether to vote for or against the agreement based on its language and content. I hope that everyone does the same and makes their ultimate decision on what's best for them and their family, either up or down.

Finally, I hope if the MEC does recommend it to the membership, that they treat it like Fox News - We report, You decide (unlike DAL).

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You'll see it. If the MEC votes no the company will be more than happy to tell you (and all of the other employees) how generous they are and how greedy we are.
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Old 08-19-2015 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by champ42272

Finally, I hope if the MEC does recommend it to the membership, that they treat it like Fox News - We report, You decide (unlike DAL).

Champ42272.
Surely you jest, "faux news", half truths, misinformation, and 30+% falsehoods!

I'm hoping the NC, MEC, ALPA lawyers, AND committees (especially grievance) conduct a thorough review and analysis by SME's across all the subject domains, to include "language" subject to interpretation, prior to them "reporting" or touring a TA road show.
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Old 08-19-2015 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by olly
Surely you jest, "faux news", half truths, misinformation, and 30+% falsehoods!

I'm hoping the NC, MEC, ALPA lawyers, AND committees (especially grievance) conduct a thorough review and analysis by SME's across all the subject domains, to include "language" subject to interpretation, prior to them "reporting" or touring a TA road show.
........................... Oh, brother.
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Old 08-19-2015 | 10:57 PM
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After the turds we've voted for in the past (FDA 1.1 & 1.2, etc), the need for checking, double checking, and re-checking is paramount.

Approach the TA inspection like you would approach instructing a student. You keep your eyes on the student's actions, cause he could kill you if you get complacent in his flying. The lawyers at FDX have consistently eaten use alive with contract language. If a section can be "interpreted" more than 1 way, assume FDX will interpret it the worst way possible.
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Old 08-20-2015 | 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by busdriver12
..We understand clear freaking English..
Sure about that? Non pilots who follow APC might disagree with you. LOL
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Old 08-20-2015 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dakota
........................... Oh, brother.

Wow! My comment was not on the validity of Fox News (I couldn't care less what your views are on that subject), my analogy was to make sure the MEC doesn't try a hard sell like DALPA tried to do (my wife is a DAL pilot and voted against the TA).

The MEC and the road shows to follow should give each of the facts, and only the facts, so that each member pilot can make the best decision for himself/herself and their family.

This may be the most critical contract yet, as it sets the tone for labor relations at FDX for the foreseeable future. Generally, I'm not a one issue voter, and I'm mature enough to understand that there may be things I don't like, so I will try to be extra attentive to my due diligence regarding the details of the language.

Since I'm closer to retirement than many, R & I, medical and scheduling are the sections I'm most interested in.

I can only hope that everyone else feels about the same.

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Old 08-20-2015 | 07:30 AM
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Champ, the best place to get the facts is the source document itself. Why do you need a roadshow at all? Just give me the document.
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Old 08-20-2015 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Rock
Champ, the best place to get the facts is the source document itself. Why do you need a roadshow at all? Just give me the document.
I'm with ya Rock. Unless they want to come down to Dothan, most likely won't attend one anyway. Honestly most only want to see the cash portion anyway.
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Old 08-20-2015 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by champ42272
Wow! My comment was not on the validity of Fox News (I couldn't care less what your views are on that subject), my analogy was to make sure the MEC doesn't try a hard sell like DALPA tried to do (my wife is a DAL pilot and voted against the TA)...

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Champ first let me say I agree with you about the spin. Next, the Mrs. sounds reasonable, have her explain why the oh brother was not meant for your post but Olly's who will be with us as soon as he finishes his morning NPR.
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Old 08-20-2015 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Champ first let me say I agree with you about the spin. Next, the Mrs. sounds reasonable, have her explain why the oh brother was not meant for your post but Olly's who will be with us as soon as he finishes his morning NPR.
I'm sure she will once Outnumbered is over.
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