Pinning your hopes on improvements after the
09-29-2015, 11:11 AM
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Pinning your hopes on improvements after the
Pinning your hopes on improvement after the TA is ratified
For anyone holding their nose and voting YES believing Fedex will improve on any sections that involve real money, provide a rationale that would suggest why Fedex would be willing do anything other than sit on their hands for the next 6 to (8??
) years???
Every LOA that Fedex has proposed, in the past, has solved a "problem" management had regarding manning, either in a FDA or during a training short fall. While the FDA improvements provided improvements for some, it clearly was meant to solve the companies problem, never ours.
For anyone holding their nose and voting YES believing Fedex will improve on any sections that involve real money, provide a rationale that would suggest why Fedex would be willing do anything other than sit on their hands for the next 6 to (8??
) years???Every LOA that Fedex has proposed, in the past, has solved a "problem" management had regarding manning, either in a FDA or during a training short fall. While the FDA improvements provided improvements for some, it clearly was meant to solve the companies problem, never ours.
09-29-2015, 08:03 PM
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Makes as much sense as pinning your hopes on
a. Voting the TA down
b. Replacing the MEC members that voted for it
c. Replacing the Negotiating Committee
d. Informational picketing, attending stockholder meetings, media campaigns, strike vote
e. Going back into the same room, with the same company negotiators, and having them say, "Oh! We understand now! You guys are SERIOUS this time!" and upping their offer
f. The second TA making up for the lost months of 10% wage increase, 401k bump from the raise, the time value of money for however long it took items a-e to take place.....
a. Voting the TA down
b. Replacing the MEC members that voted for it
c. Replacing the Negotiating Committee
d. Informational picketing, attending stockholder meetings, media campaigns, strike vote
e. Going back into the same room, with the same company negotiators, and having them say, "Oh! We understand now! You guys are SERIOUS this time!" and upping their offer
f. The second TA making up for the lost months of 10% wage increase, 401k bump from the raise, the time value of money for however long it took items a-e to take place.....
09-29-2015, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Huck
Makes as much sense as pinning your hopes on
a. Voting the TA down
b. Replacing the MEC members that voted for it
c. Replacing the Negotiating Committee
d. Informational picketing, attending stockholder meetings, media campaigns, strike vote
e. Going back into the same room, with the same company negotiators, and having them say, "Oh! We understand now! You guys are SERIOUS this time!" and upping their offer
f. The second TA making up for the lost months of 10% wage increase, 401k bump from the raise, the time value of money for however long it took items a-e to take place.....
a. Voting the TA down
b. Replacing the MEC members that voted for it
c. Replacing the Negotiating Committee
d. Informational picketing, attending stockholder meetings, media campaigns, strike vote
e. Going back into the same room, with the same company negotiators, and having them say, "Oh! We understand now! You guys are SERIOUS this time!" and upping their offer
f. The second TA making up for the lost months of 10% wage increase, 401k bump from the raise, the time value of money for however long it took items a-e to take place.....
09-29-2015, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Huck
Makes as much sense as pinning your hopes on
a. Voting the TA down
b. Replacing the MEC members that voted for it
c. Replacing the Negotiating Committee
d. Informational picketing, attending stockholder meetings, media campaigns, strike vote
e. Going back into the same room, with the same company negotiators, and having them say, "Oh! We understand now! You guys are SERIOUS this time!" and upping their offer
f. The second TA making up for the lost months of 10% wage increase, 401k bump from the raise, the time value of money for however long it took items a-e to take place.....
a. Voting the TA down
b. Replacing the MEC members that voted for it
c. Replacing the Negotiating Committee
d. Informational picketing, attending stockholder meetings, media campaigns, strike vote
e. Going back into the same room, with the same company negotiators, and having them say, "Oh! We understand now! You guys are SERIOUS this time!" and upping their offer
f. The second TA making up for the lost months of 10% wage increase, 401k bump from the raise, the time value of money for however long it took items a-e to take place.....
Originally Posted by mcdbirdman
Finally someone with some sense on this board! Thanks Huck
It's the fear of not making up the money that you would have earned, while negotiating a new TA.
09-29-2015, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
So, it's not that you think the TA is good enough to vote for, on it's own merits...
It's the fear of not making up the money that you would have earned, while negotiating a new TA.
It's the fear of not making up the money that you would have earned, while negotiating a new TA.
Second talking point if the first fails....state you've got a bigger set of cajones because you are tough enough to vote no.
Third talking point....repeat the word "fear" but type it in caps and add a rolling eyes emoji after it.
At all costs, avoid offering solutions on how you will convince the company to shell out more money. Just follow Trump's lead and say "oh we've got a great plan for that. It's going to be tremendous!"
09-29-2015, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock
If all the yes voters are actually one person on APC, all the no voters got emailed talking points to argue their case. The first talking point....ignore all actual points of discussion and claim the only reason to vote yes is "fear."
Second talking point if the first fails....state you've got a bigger set of cajones because you are tough enough to vote no.
Third talking point....repeat the word "fear" but type it in caps and add a rolling eyes emoji after it.
At all costs, avoid offering solutions on how you will convince the company to shell out more money. Just follow Trump's lead and say "oh we've got a great plan for that. It's going to be tremendous!"
Second talking point if the first fails....state you've got a bigger set of cajones because you are tough enough to vote no.
Third talking point....repeat the word "fear" but type it in caps and add a rolling eyes emoji after it.
At all costs, avoid offering solutions on how you will convince the company to shell out more money. Just follow Trump's lead and say "oh we've got a great plan for that. It's going to be tremendous!"
That's not exactly an endorsement of the quality of the TA, itself.
09-29-2015, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Your most quoted point of discussion is: How and when, could we ever get the company to move off of their position?
That's not exactly an endorsement of the quality of the TA, itself.
That's not exactly an endorsement of the quality of the TA, itself.
Now, tell me how you plan to coax a better TA out of the company.
09-29-2015, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock
I completely endorse the TA. I like its pay raises and will use them to more then make up for the lack of an A plan cap raise. I think the changes for commuters (bank, hotel bank, parking, accepted fares) will make life much easier for a large percentage of Fedex pilots. I love being able to bid for training. I am very glad we will finally pay our new hires more than a Waffle House waitress. And the health care options are an effective solution to the evil attacks of Obamacare on our industry leading health care plans. For those reasons and more, I am an enthusiastic yes voter.
Now, tell me how you plan to coax a better TA out of the company.
Now, tell me how you plan to coax a better TA out of the company.
But, I don't. This is my 6th contract negotiation. And, not one of them was conducted in the environment that we have found ourselves in here today. With a company this profitable and so dependent on its crewmembers to go the extra mile to get the job done right. Every day and every night. I've never seen a more mission oriented group than the FDX pilots. I am willing to work under the current CBA, until we are able to negotiate a contract, under the rules of the RLA, that I am eager to vote for.
09-29-2015, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock
I completely endorse the TA. I like its pay raises and will use them to more then make up for the lack of an A plan cap raise. I think the changes for commuters (bank, hotel bank, parking, accepted fares) will make life much easier for a large percentage of Fedex pilots. I love being able to bid for training. I am very glad we will finally pay our new hires more than a Waffle House waitress. And the health care options are an effective solution to the evil attacks of Obamacare on our industry leading health care plans. For those reasons and more, I am an enthusiastic yes voter.
Now, tell me how you plan to coax a better TA out of the company.
Now, tell me how you plan to coax a better TA out of the company.
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