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Old 02-17-2017, 10:59 AM
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I can see it now:

"Hi, I work for OSM Aviation, I'm going to be in your jumpseat today."

Bye, Felicia.
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Old 02-17-2017, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post
Once again, it's not so much NAI it's what NAI represents and the damage it will do to the earning potential in this career. Flying an airliner is not entry level, especially transatlantic. Would you want your family flown by an entry level crew? Attracting the best and the brightest requires money and it's clear NAI doesn't care about that. And by design their model is going to pressure every other airline to conform just like has already happened in Europe. This is not a career there, it's an ok job. It's infuriating.
But if you look at their requirements, they are not entry level. Captains need at least 4,000 hours, 2,000 hours of jet PIC. First officers require 1,500 hours which is is no where near entry level in Europe. Cadet pilots are regularly at the controls of a 737 or A320 with less than 500 hours in Europe. I flew with a first officer last month who had less than 400 total hours.
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But if you look at their requirements, they are not entry level. Captains need at least 4,000 hours, 2,000 hours of jet PIC. First officers require 1,500 hours which is is no where near entry level in Europe. Cadet pilots are regularly at the controls of a 737 or A320 with less than 500 hours in Europe. I flew with a first officer last month who had less than 400 total hours.
"..Cadet pilots are regularly at the controls of a 737 or A320 with less than 500 hours in Europe. I flew with a first officer last month who had less than 400 total hours..."

This is what I'll use to scare my friends and family away from this ridiculousness.
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Old 02-17-2017, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NEDude View Post
But if you look at their requirements, they are not entry level. Captains need at least 4,000 hours, 2,000 hours of jet PIC. First officers require 1,500 hours which is is no where near entry level in Europe. Cadet pilots are regularly at the controls of a 737 or A320 with less than 500 hours in Europe. I flew with a first officer last month who had less than 400 total hours.
I'm using your own words. You said it was entry level in post #15

"NAI might not be a bad foot in the door. Norwegian, like Ryanair, easyJet and WizzAir, is often an entry level job for young European pilots, and about a mid-level job for a more experienced pilot who may be too old for the European legacies."

And let's not get caught up in semantics. This thing is a **** show and you know it. Being an airline pilot in Europe has been a dead end for some time now. This NAI flag of convenience is the first chance to spread the European brand of career distruction to a career that has just recently become great again. If it's successful it will proliferate to the point where we are all quitting or just happy to be getting by like you are.

Doctors don't get into the profession to just get by they want to be a top earner.

I'm not a doctor but most pilots get into this career for the same reason. I want to afford to live in a nice waterfront home in a good school district, not have my wife work so she can be home for the kids, send my kids to college, fund a fruitful retirement, pay for my daughters wedding, drive a nice car, have a yellowfin parked out back, see the world with my family on vacation, take them skiing, summer boat trips to the Bahamas, and insure my life so my family is secure in case of my untimely death.

This is now possible in the US and NAI is a big threat to us all just descending into mediocrity just like pilots live in Europe and most Americans are living check to check and will never retire.

SCREW THAT!

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Old 02-17-2017, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post
I'm using your own words. You said it was entry level in post #15

"NAI might not be a bad foot in the door. Norwegian, like Ryanair, easyJet and WizzAir, is often an entry level job for young European pilots, and about a mid-level job for a more experienced pilot who may be too old for the European legacies."

And let's not get caught up in semantics. This thing is a **** show and you know it. Being an airline pilot in Europe has been a dead end for some time now. This NAI flag of convenience is the first chance to spread the European brand of career distruction to a career that has just recently become great again. If it's successful it will proliferate to the point where we are all quitting or just happy to be getting by like you are.

Doctors don't get into the profession to just get by they want to be a top earner.

I'm not a doctor but most pilots get into this career for the same reason. I want to afford to live in a nice waterfront home in a good school district, not have my wife work so she can be home for the kids, send my kids to college, fund a fruitful retirement, pay for my daughters wedding, drive a nice car, have a yellowfin parked out back, see the world with my family on vacation, take them skiing, summer boat trips to the Bahamas, and insure my life so my family is secure in case of my untimely death.

This is now possible in the US and NAI is a big threat to us all just descending into mediocrity just like pilots live in Europe and most Americans are living check to check and will never retire.

SCREW THAT!


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Old 02-17-2017, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NEDude View Post
But if you look at their requirements, they are not entry level. Captains need at least 4,000 hours, 2,000 hours of jet PIC. First officers require 1,500 hours which is is no where near entry level in Europe. Cadet pilots are regularly at the controls of a 737 or A320 with less than 500 hours in Europe. I flew with a first officer last month who had less than 400 total hours.
I'd seriously consider peeing in a bottle, while in the left seat, if I were you.

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Old 02-17-2017, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post
I'm using your own words. You said it was entry level in post #15

"NAI might not be a bad foot in the door. Norwegian, like Ryanair, easyJet and WizzAir, is often an entry level job for young European pilots, and about a mid-level job for a more experienced pilot who may be too old for the European legacies."

And let's not get caught up in semantics. This thing is a **** show and you know it. Being an airline pilot in Europe has been a dead end for some time now. This NAI flag of convenience is the first chance to spread the European brand of career distruction to a career that has just recently become great again. If it's successful it will proliferate to the point where we are all quitting or just happy to be getting by like you are.

Doctors don't get into the profession to just get by they want to be a top earner.

I'm not a doctor but most pilots get into this career for the same reason. I want to afford to live in a nice waterfront home in a good school district, not have my wife work so she can be home for the kids, send my kids to college, fund a fruitful retirement, pay for my daughters wedding, drive a nice car, have a yellowfin parked out back, see the world with my family on vacation, take them skiing, summer boat trips to the Bahamas, and insure my life so my family is secure in case of my untimely death.

This is now possible in the US and NAI is a big threat to us all just descending into mediocrity just like pilots live in Europe and most Americans are living check to check and will never retire.

SCREW THAT!
Well said.

The price of entry into professional aviation is very high. People need to consider what they are getting into.

Pilots considering flying for NAI should really stop and think about the very high probability that no decent carrier would ever hire them.

Pilots are involved with hiring at all the major airlines. I think even management pilots know the score on NAI.

People should head to a decent regional, LCC or elsewhere if they want a good job at a legacy one day. The whole NAI thing could (and should) be a career-killer to anyone in the US.
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Old 02-18-2017, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post
I'm using your own words. You said it was entry level in post #15

"NAI might not be a bad foot in the door. Norwegian, like Ryanair, easyJet and WizzAir, is often an entry level job for young European pilots, and about a mid-level job for a more experienced pilot who may be too old for the European legacies."

And let's not get caught up in semantics. This thing is a **** show and you know it. Being an airline pilot in Europe has been a dead end for some time now. This NAI flag of convenience is the first chance to spread the European brand of career distruction to a career that has just recently become great again. If it's successful it will proliferate to the point where we are all quitting or just happy to be getting by like you are.

Doctors don't get into the profession to just get by they want to be a top earner.

I'm not a doctor but most pilots get into this career for the same reason. I want to afford to live in a nice waterfront home in a good school district, not have my wife work so she can be home for the kids, send my kids to college, fund a fruitful retirement, pay for my daughters wedding, drive a nice car, have a yellowfin parked out back, see the world with my family on vacation, take them skiing, summer boat trips to the Bahamas, and insure my life so my family is secure in case of my untimely death.

This is now possible in the US and NAI is a big threat to us all just descending into mediocrity just like pilots live in Europe and most Americans are living check to check and will never retire.

SCREW THAT!
Norwegian has hired cadet pilots in the past. Just because the USA job opening requires 1,500 hours, does not mean cadets have not been a part of the Norwegian hiring plans in Europe in the past. You are jumping to false conclusions there my friend.

Also, very curious as to where you get your information that aviation is a dead end job in Europe. Certainly does not appear that way to me, or to any of the dozens of other pilots I know over on this side of the pond.
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Old 02-18-2017, 02:35 AM
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Given that European aviation accident rates are very close to North American accident rates, and that both regions have extremely high safety standards, there is no reason to feel insecure.
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Given that European aviation accident rates are very close to North American accident rates, and that both regions have extremely high safety standards, there is no reason to feel insecure.
Depends on what you consider a European accident.

QZ 8501, FZ 981 and AF 447 all had Euro's at the controls.
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