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Old 12-05-2016, 11:15 PM   #1
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Default Time to create a NAI blacklist?

I think it's time for ALPA, IBT, SWAPA, APA, and whoever else to ban together and declare that working for Norwegian or any subsidiary is only a small step above crossing a picket line and will not be tolerated.

1. Lifetime Jumpseat ban and creation of a blackball list

2. To the extent possible, banned from being hired at any other US Airline for the rest of their careers

3. No zed agreements with any NAI subsidiary

Unlike most union efforts, most mainline airline management (except JetBlue) probably hate NAI as much as we do and could be quite agreeable to make this happen.
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Absolutely.
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I would be very careful with that. Keep in mind all the things U.S. carriers have done in the past. Bankruptcies, B Scale, Force Majure and dumping of pensions to the PBGC, Frank Lorenzo etc...

I would not pick a fight with NAI or any pilot's that may go there. It could bite you back.

God forbid more jobs and jumpseats in the U.S.

Will you be banning BMW and Airbus too? They have places in the U.S. and created jobs.
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I would be very careful with that. Keep in mind all the things U.S. carriers have done in the past. Bankruptcies, B Scale, Force Majure and dumping of pensions to the PBGC, Frank Lorenzo etc...

I would not pick a fight with NAI or any pilot's that may go there. It could bite you back.

God forbid more jobs and jumpseats in the U.S.

Will you be banning BMW and Airbus too? They have places in the U.S. and created jobs.
Yeah but BMW typically uses Lufthansa, I heard they are pretty much the only reason they fly to CLT since they have a plant in the GSP area, I heard that flight goes out sometimes up 80 percent empty.
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I think it's time for ALPA, IBT, SWAPA, APA, and whoever else to ban together and declare that working for Norwegian or any subsidiary is only a small step above crossing a picket line....
This is wildly inaccurate and exaggerated.
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Are you going to ban "regional pilots" too?
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Yeah but BMW typically uses Lufthansa, I heard they are pretty much the only reason they fly to CLT since they have a plant in the GSP area, I heard that flight goes out sometimes up 80 percent empty.
Same reasons AAL has a RDU-LHR flight. Drug/pharmaceuticals shipping. Cargo is BIG bucks

As for the ban.....tread lightly! Never know when NAI will buy someone out
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I think it's time for ALPA, IBT, SWAPA, APA, and whoever else to ban together and declare that working for Norwegian or any subsidiary is only a small step above crossing a picket line and will not be tolerated.

1. Lifetime Jumpseat ban and creation of a blackball list

2. To the extent possible, banned from being hired at any other US Airline for the rest of their careers

3. No zed agreements with any NAI subsidiary

Unlike most union efforts, most mainline airline management (except JetBlue) probably hate NAI as much as we do and could be quite agreeable to make this happen.
Who will be the official keeper of the list?
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Old 12-06-2016, 05:25 AM   #9
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There is no justification for a list. The jumpseat issue takes care of itself. I don't believe a foreign carrier is eligible to ride the jumpseat or be in CASS regardless of where they are based.
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Rather than blacklisting and chest beating that will ultimately lead to nowhere, press your respective carriers to step up to plate. Demand product improvement. Demand your fellow crewmembers look the part as a crewmember, rather than Beaver from "Leave it to Beaver. Demand your cabin crew to provide a level of service above mediocrity.

Yeah, I know many complain about the passengers. But remember they're the sponsors who make your paychecks possible.

Now, NAI is not subsidized. They charge low fares. They provide a full "ala carte service" to their passengers. Their customers know about bag charges, exit row seating charges, food and grog charges. For all I know, they'd probably charge for the air their passsengers breath. The home teams do the same but at a fare much greater. That said, whats the incentive for the consumer?

Now for the pilots. Most who beat their chests about blacklisting are currently employed with their "dream jobs". How about those who are unsuccessful? Where do they go? Start at the regionals?

Now for the reality check. Not too many U.S. Citizens have the EASA license. Those that do are because they were or are currently employed in Euroland, studied and obtained a JAR license and converted to an EASA license. Take a minimal percentage of those who want to continue to fly for a Euro Carrier, but based in the U.S. How many do you think are willing to fulfill the requirement of a training bond? Jump seat? Do you really think a crewmember needs to jump seat from FLL to PBI? Get real.

One step above crossing a picket line... Drama Queen.

The only enemy in your back yard is your own company for selling inferior products demanding premium prices. They are the ones out sourcing international flying under the guise of "code sharing".
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