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Old 12-14-2016, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude View Post
Interesting. I know for a fact Virgin America pay went up several times without a union. I also experienced my pay being raised, significantly, while I was working on a contract overseas.

It seems to me that pay is overwhelmingly determined by the financial health of the airline combined with the supply and demand for pilots. For example: after 9/11, many airlines were struggling financially and many pilots lost their jobs. Despite union contracts and the ability to collectively bargain, pilot pay dropped significantly. Now airlines doing very well financially and the supply of pilots, at least on the lower end, is limited. The result is pilot pay is increasing. The next time airlines begin to struggle financially, pay will decrease again. History shows that it will, and only a fool would seriously believe otherwise.
So is Norwegian struggling financially to the point that they MUST use Out-Source-Me Aviation in an attempt to further reduce costs and avoid the RLA in the US? They tried, but the NMB ruled against them.

This is a shell game that JetBlue and VA never even considered. Not even People Express was so bold.

Nevertheless, you eagerly defend their practices.


https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...NMB-No.-21.pdf

Norwegian US-based Flight Attendants Vote for Representation - Association of Flight Attendants-CWA
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Old 12-14-2016, 08:06 AM
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Can someone also blacklist any pilot who flies for a Chinese airline?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-12/china-s-flood-of-cheap-air-fares-deals-blow-to-global-carriers
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Old 12-14-2016, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
Wages only go up if you're unionized??
Contract pilots never receive pay raises?
Tell you what... come back when captain pay at NAI cracks 50% of what the US carriers are paying FO's on the 787, who don't have to work 20-21 days a month to get paid. Or when an NAI FO makes more than 50% of an RJ captain.

You're worth what you negotiate.
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Old 12-14-2016, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble View Post
An NAI pilot is employed as an independent contractor. When your contract is up, you're gone or you can reapply/renew. Been there 5 years and expecting a raise? How about no, we have plenty of applicants to replace you. We'll renew your contract at the current rate, maybe even lower, or just not at all. All those sick calls you took from only having 10 days a month off? Yeah we're not interested in renewing your contract.
i've been working contact for the past decade and you miss a very important distinction about contract work....., right now this is a pilot's market, the need for pilots worldwide would make it imposible at this point in time to pull those kinds of stunts....., most (if not all) contracts worldwide are experiencing unprecedented increases, that is even increasing the pay for the local pilots, there has been substantial increases in many markets for local pilots due to he need for qualified crew members, from Asia, to Russia, to the middle east...., you have seen local pilots wages increases that are very significant.

The contract market is very tight with a LOT of competition and people are getting their contracts renewed with increases that are up to par with the competition.
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Originally Posted by Grumble View Post
Tell you what... come back when captain pay at NAI cracks 50% of what the US carriers are paying FO's on the 787, who don't have to work 20-21 days a month to get paid. Or when an NAI FO makes more than 50% of an RJ captain.

You're worth what you negotiate.
Is this about their contract arrangement or about pay? because there are many pilots making half of what the NAI pilots are making, flying 787's and 777's into the US market and competing with US mainline carriers......!

I for one back up the notion of increasing the pay worldwide for all pilots......, the whole idea of making one pilot group the cause of all evil has never worked.

You still have scabs working at the mainline carriers...., even after the whole campaign a few years back....., places like GoJets are still hiring and i didn't see all the tough talk materialize with them....! This will also just blow over as nothing more than internet tough guy talk.
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Is this about their contract arrangement or about pay? because there are many pilots making half of what the NAI pilots are making, flying 787's and 777's into the US market and competing with US mainline carriers......!

I for one back up the notion of increasing the pay worldwide for all pilots......, the whole idea of making one pilot group the cause of all evil has never worked.

You still have scabs working at the mainline carriers...., even after the whole campaign a few years back....., places like GoJets are still hiring and i didn't see all the tough talk materialize with them....! This will also just blow over as nothing more than internet tough guy talk.
What airline would that be? There are FO's flying 777's or 787's making roughly $40K flying international? I don't believe that.
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Old 12-14-2016, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble View Post
Tell you what... come back when captain pay at NAI cracks 50% of what the US carriers are paying FO's on the 787, who don't have to work 20-21 days a month to get paid. Or when an NAI FO makes more than 50% of an RJ captain.

You're worth what you negotiate.
NAI FOs make $60-$70k. That's well over half of RJ captains.
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
NAI FOs make $60-$70k. That's well over half of RJ captains.
You left out the part about the 291 or so seats on a Norwegian 787-8. Have some dip with your potato chips.
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku View Post
What airline would that be? There are FO's flying 777's or 787's making roughly $40K flying international? I don't believe that.
How much do you think that pilots in airlines like Aeromexico, Aserca, Latam to name a few make?

Be careful of what you are made to believe....., it's easy to manipulate the masses when they are shown the boogie man to hate!

So my question again..., Is this about salary? We need to focus on bringing the salary levels up for all pilots then.

Or is this about contract jobs through an agency? Because there are many jobs like that out in the expat market, not just this one.
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie View Post
You left out the part about the 291 or so seats on a Norwegian 787-8. Have some dip with your potato chips.
So under that logic..., a GV pilot should make 12,000/ Year?

You folks are making less and less sense as you go along
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