Time to create a NAI blacklist?
#41
Interesting. I know for a fact Virgin America pay went up several times without a union. I also experienced my pay being raised, significantly, while I was working on a contract overseas.
It seems to me that pay is overwhelmingly determined by the financial health of the airline combined with the supply and demand for pilots. For example: after 9/11, many airlines were struggling financially and many pilots lost their jobs. Despite union contracts and the ability to collectively bargain, pilot pay dropped significantly. Now airlines doing very well financially and the supply of pilots, at least on the lower end, is limited. The result is pilot pay is increasing. The next time airlines begin to struggle financially, pay will decrease again. History shows that it will, and only a fool would seriously believe otherwise.
It seems to me that pay is overwhelmingly determined by the financial health of the airline combined with the supply and demand for pilots. For example: after 9/11, many airlines were struggling financially and many pilots lost their jobs. Despite union contracts and the ability to collectively bargain, pilot pay dropped significantly. Now airlines doing very well financially and the supply of pilots, at least on the lower end, is limited. The result is pilot pay is increasing. The next time airlines begin to struggle financially, pay will decrease again. History shows that it will, and only a fool would seriously believe otherwise.
This is a shell game that JetBlue and VA never even considered. Not even People Express was so bold.
Nevertheless, you eagerly defend their practices.
https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...NMB-No.-21.pdf
Norwegian US-based Flight Attendants Vote for Representation - Association of Flight Attendants-CWA
#43
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You're worth what you negotiate.
#44
An NAI pilot is employed as an independent contractor. When your contract is up, you're gone or you can reapply/renew. Been there 5 years and expecting a raise? How about no, we have plenty of applicants to replace you. We'll renew your contract at the current rate, maybe even lower, or just not at all. All those sick calls you took from only having 10 days a month off? Yeah we're not interested in renewing your contract.
The contract market is very tight with a LOT of competition and people are getting their contracts renewed with increases that are up to par with the competition.
#45
I for one back up the notion of increasing the pay worldwide for all pilots......, the whole idea of making one pilot group the cause of all evil has never worked.
You still have scabs working at the mainline carriers...., even after the whole campaign a few years back....., places like GoJets are still hiring and i didn't see all the tough talk materialize with them....! This will also just blow over as nothing more than internet tough guy talk.
#46
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Is this about their contract arrangement or about pay? because there are many pilots making half of what the NAI pilots are making, flying 787's and 777's into the US market and competing with US mainline carriers......!
I for one back up the notion of increasing the pay worldwide for all pilots......, the whole idea of making one pilot group the cause of all evil has never worked.
You still have scabs working at the mainline carriers...., even after the whole campaign a few years back....., places like GoJets are still hiring and i didn't see all the tough talk materialize with them....! This will also just blow over as nothing more than internet tough guy talk.
I for one back up the notion of increasing the pay worldwide for all pilots......, the whole idea of making one pilot group the cause of all evil has never worked.
You still have scabs working at the mainline carriers...., even after the whole campaign a few years back....., places like GoJets are still hiring and i didn't see all the tough talk materialize with them....! This will also just blow over as nothing more than internet tough guy talk.
#47
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NAI FOs make $60-$70k. That's well over half of RJ captains.
#49
Be careful of what you are made to believe....., it's easy to manipulate the masses when they are shown the boogie man to hate!
So my question again..., Is this about salary? We need to focus on bringing the salary levels up for all pilots then.
Or is this about contract jobs through an agency? Because there are many jobs like that out in the expat market, not just this one.
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