Time to create a NAI blacklist?
12-14-2016, 02:51 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by The Dominican
So under that logic..., a GV pilot should make 12,000/ Year?
You folks are making less and less sense as you go along
You folks are making less and less sense as you go along
What kind of business plan can fly 290 people on a 787 yet only afford to pay the F/O half of what UAL offered the scab F/Os in 1985?
12-14-2016, 02:52 PM
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No one ever mentions how low Cathay Pacific was paying 747 freighter pilots based in the U.S. Norwegian seems to be the flavor of the month but in reality will have no impact on the U.S travel market because they will eventually fail.
12-14-2016, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
Since when is a GV built to make money hauling paying passengers? It is justified as a "time saving executive productivity business tool." Beyond that, iit's an expensive toy.
What kind of business plan can fly 290 people on a 787 yet only afford to pay the F/O half of what UAL offered the scab F/Os in 1985?
What kind of business plan can fly 290 people on a 787 yet only afford to pay the F/O half of what UAL offered the scab F/Os in 1985?
What kind of a business plan has a pilot flying 160 passengers on an MD80 and pay their pilots 24K a year as is happening in many Latin American countries? You don't seem to have a problem with that..!
So is this about pay? Because this contract is middle of the road on pay, you have airlines flying passengers to the US on 787's and 767's with captains making 80K.....!
i'm not justifying this particular gig...., to be honest, I don't particularly care. I'm just curious as to why everyone has their panties in a wad about it.....!
12-14-2016, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dominican
How much do you think that pilots in airlines like Aeromexico, Aserca, Latam to name a few make? 
Be careful of what you are made to believe....., it's easy to manipulate the masses when they are shown the boogie man to hate!
So my question again..., Is this about salary? We need to focus on bringing the salary levels up for all pilots then.
Or is this about contract jobs through an agency? Because there are many jobs like that out in the expat market, not just this one.
Be careful of what you are made to believe....., it's easy to manipulate the masses when they are shown the boogie man to hate!
So my question again..., Is this about salary? We need to focus on bringing the salary levels up for all pilots then.
Or is this about contract jobs through an agency? Because there are many jobs like that out in the expat market, not just this one.
It was never directly about the money. If you are still trying to figure out what this is about try this: Obama's bad plane deal
12-14-2016, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
1.) I still don't believe that a 787 FO at Aeromexico makes $40K, do you have a source you can quote for this? 2.) Even if they did they would be living a very lavish life, the average wage in Mexico is $15 a day. So even at $40K/year a pilot is making 10 times the average wage earner in Mexico. Compare that to $50K/year in the US.
It was never directly about the money. If you are still trying to figure out what this is about try this: Obama's bad plane deal
It was never directly about the money. If you are still trying to figure out what this is about try this: Obama's bad plane deal
Who thinks we should create a blacklist for those US contract pilots who help the subsidized Chinese airlines as well?
12-14-2016, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
1.) I still don't believe that a 787 FO at Aeromexico makes $40K, do you have a source you can quote for this? 2.) Even if they did they would be living a very lavish life, the average wage in Mexico is $15 a day. So even at $40K/year a pilot is making 10 times the average wage earner in Mexico. Compare that to $50K/year in the US.
It was never directly about the money. If you are still trying to figure out what this is about try this: Obama's bad plane deal
It was never directly about the money. If you are still trying to figure out what this is about try this: Obama's bad plane deal
Keep drinking that ALPA Koolaid boys and girls and keep patching the holes on the inflatable rat
12-14-2016, 07:20 PM
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Before you consider blacklisting make sure you look yourself in the mirror and ask a few honest questions.
1. Have I contacted every legislator that represents me about NAI?
2. Have I walked into the local offices of my legislators to speak with their aids about NAI?
3. Am I a PAC member of my Union?
If you answer no to any of the above questions, than get to work and involve your family so you stay motivated to follow through!
Otherwise, blacklist yourself along with the NAI pilots.
More actionable items to help save your career:
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...mco-rally.html
1. Have I contacted every legislator that represents me about NAI?
2. Have I walked into the local offices of my legislators to speak with their aids about NAI?
3. Am I a PAC member of my Union?
If you answer no to any of the above questions, than get to work and involve your family so you stay motivated to follow through!
Otherwise, blacklist yourself along with the NAI pilots.
More actionable items to help save your career:
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...mco-rally.html
12-14-2016, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
You left out the part about the 291 or so seats on a Norwegian 787-8. Have some dip with your potato chips.
12-14-2016, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
So is Norwegian struggling financially to the point that they MUST use Out-Source-Me Aviation in an attempt to further reduce costs and avoid the RLA in the US? They tried, but the NMB ruled against them.
This is a shell game that JetBlue and VA never even considered. Not even People Express was so bold.
Nevertheless, you eagerly defend their practices.
https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...NMB-No.-21.pdf
Norwegian US-based Flight Attendants Vote for Representation - Association of Flight Attendants-CWA
This is a shell game that JetBlue and VA never even considered. Not even People Express was so bold.
Nevertheless, you eagerly defend their practices.
https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...NMB-No.-21.pdf
Norwegian US-based Flight Attendants Vote for Representation - Association of Flight Attendants-CWA
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