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Old 12-17-2016 | 09:15 PM
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And ironically the CEO of Virgin America is the former VP of Ops at United...
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Old 12-18-2016 | 04:16 AM
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Sorry, typo, the COO... Steve Forte.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 06:20 AM
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So what you are saying is the piloting profession works completely counter to the principles of supply and demand. In your world the less pilot jobs there are, and the more pilots looking for work, puts upward pressure on salaries? Interesting...

So in your world the post 9/11 era was the best time to be a pilot. Highest pay and benefits ever...
Fewer pilots = higher pay. Same with every profession. We should be doing nothing to make it easier to be a pilot. There's a problem when a new entrant offers pay well below scale, and desperate pilots willing to skip a few rungs of the career ladder show up for work.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Fewer pilots and more jobs = higher pay. Same with every profession. We should be doing nothing to make it easier to be a pilot. There's a problem when a new entrant offers pay well below scale, and desperate pilots willing to skip a few rungs of the career ladder show up for work.
Fixed it for you.

You are only looking at the U.S. pilot market when this is, in fact, a global industry. Specifically this is a European airline. What they are paying comparable to other European airlines. Of course perhaps you prefer the Lufthansa alter-ego airline Eurowings, which pays its A330 pilots 15% less than Norwegian pays its 787 pilots.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
Unions and management were on the same page with Virgin America as well...
So what? There were legitimate issues with the ownership structure of VA in the beginning. Once the appropriate adjustments to the structure were made, the DOT gave them the green light.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 07:46 AM
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So what? There were legitimate issues with the ownership structure of VA in the beginning. Once the appropriate adjustments to the structure were made, the DOT gave them the green light.
Apparently you forget that the unions and airline management were never completely satisfied with Virgin America, and their opposition continued for a few years after the DOT gave them the green light. ALPA never fully relented until the VX pilots began to seek out representation. Alaska airlines specifically kept raising issues for nearly three years after the DOT gave VX the green light. It was not a simple case of airlines trying to get VX to comply with DOT demands, it was a concerted effort to keep VX from ever getting certified, even despite compliance with DOT demands.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
Apparently you forget that the unions and airline management were never completely satisfied with Virgin America, and their opposition continued for a few years after the DOT gave them the green light. ALPA never fully relented until the VX pilots began to seek out representation. Alaska airlines specifically kept raising issues for nearly three years after the DOT gave VX the green light. It was not a simple case of airlines trying to get VX to comply with DOT demands, it was a concerted effort to keep VX from ever getting certified, even despite compliance with DOT demands.
Again, so what. If VA hadn't presented such a blurry ownership structure in the beginning, they wouldn't have attracted that kind of attention. The DOT required them to make changes prior to certification since they were found to not be in full compliance. Again, legitimate issues were raised that required changes. Ever wonder why Allegiant didn't have these issues?
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Old 12-18-2016 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
And ironically the CEO of Virgin America is the former VP of Ops at United...
And he's being paid quite well in that (COO) role. Good for him. He left UAL to begin pursuing other offers over 10 years ago.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Sorry, typo, the COO... Steve Forte.
Oh ok. He's leaving in a couple days now that the merger closed.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
Again, so what. If VA hadn't presented such a blurry ownership structure in the beginning, they wouldn't have attracted that kind of attention. The DOT required them to make changes prior to certification since they were found to not be in full compliance. Again, legitimate issues were raised that required changes. Ever wonder why Allegiant didn't have these issues?
Because Allegiant didn't plan on going head to head out of the largest airports (top 5) in the country like SFO, LAX, and JFK. No one cares when you go from Punta Gordo, Florida to Youngstown, Ohio. As NEDude said, the DOT challenges were satisfied but the other airlines (and esp ALPA) were still against Virgin America.
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