GAMA / WHEELS UP - Current Pilot Experiences
#51
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
Please be specific.
And just because the company hasn't been caught by the FAA doesn't mean they aren't committing violations. It just means they've gotten away with it up to now.
So back up your opinions with verifiable evidence.
#52
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 59
Prove to us that YOUR opinion is correct. Post proof that WU doesn't cut corners or knowingly allow violations.
Please be specific.
And just because the company hasn't been caught by the FAA doesn't mean they aren't committing violations. It just means they've gotten away with it up to now.
So back up your opinions with verifiable evidence.
Please be specific.
And just because the company hasn't been caught by the FAA doesn't mean they aren't committing violations. It just means they've gotten away with it up to now.
So back up your opinions with verifiable evidence.
The fact we have a 135 operating certificate
Pilots are atesting to the fact they are safe
What do need every log book from every plane??
The fact WU pilots are professional and would report this and not cry on a forum that has no power .
Last edited by 1212135; 01-06-2019 at 02:19 PM.
#53
If you are trying to help, then I am giving you some advice from an outsider - the type of person who you are supposedly trying to warn off - that would make your post resonate with me.
The fact that you don't believe me is irrelevant.
You can argue with you former co-workers all you want, but since I am your target audience - what I believe of your post is the whole purpose of your post.
What has really happened here is that your post, your future posts, and any credibility you might have on this aviation forum is suspect now by me and who knows how many others - thereby actually you irrelevant.
I state my opinion, and several of you indicate that its not a valid opinion unless I provide specifics.
But when you state yours, it's correct by default?
But when you state yours, it's correct by default?
I've not worked for WU.
I've been to training with your ex-coworkers and have nothing of the sort of which you speak, one reason why I personally would have liked some details
This is comical. And sadly, it's typical
Sort of like the law Brody - the ACCUSER has to provide the facts - not the defendant.
If your entire class had seen unsafe behavior and reported it up the chain - or even the FAA Whistleblower Hotline - then the company would be answering questions. There would be even more oversight, more no-notice inspections, interviews, audits, etc....
Can you imagine what your POI would have to do and how far up the chain it would reach if an entire new hire class quite soon after being hired on and everyone of them had levied charges of violations? But this didn't happen did it? No ONE of the class - to include you apparently - did a single thing to bring these flagrant violations to light; especially since you didn't really have anything invested in the company did you?
Tried to help you Brody.
Doesn't seem like you want the help.
Continue down the same path.
It really doesn't matter now.
Maybe you'll have better luck in other threads.
#54
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Begging for a crew meal
Posts: 233
Prove to us that YOUR opinion is correct. Post proof that WU doesn't cut corners or knowingly allow violations.
Please be specific.
And just because the company hasn't been caught by the FAA doesn't mean they aren't committing violations. It just means they've gotten away with it up to now.
So back up your opinions with verifiable evidence.
Please be specific.
And just because the company hasn't been caught by the FAA doesn't mean they aren't committing violations. It just means they've gotten away with it up to now.
So back up your opinions with verifiable evidence.
#55
Outsider looking in.
I have 8 years 91K before I went 121 in 2013, and probably wont come back.
Some of the best flying I have done was 91K, I never felt pushed to do anything illegal or dangerous, but I wasn't WU.
You are the one making unsubstantiated claims about safety, everyone is calling you out, not one of your former classmates or anyone else is backing you up. You are fine with me not caring about your opinion and that is a great start, but what you said is not just an opinion but an accusation, and you can't do that without providing evidence if you want ANYONE to take you seriously.
I have 8 years 91K before I went 121 in 2013, and probably wont come back.
Some of the best flying I have done was 91K, I never felt pushed to do anything illegal or dangerous, but I wasn't WU.
You are the one making unsubstantiated claims about safety, everyone is calling you out, not one of your former classmates or anyone else is backing you up. You are fine with me not caring about your opinion and that is a great start, but what you said is not just an opinion but an accusation, and you can't do that without providing evidence if you want ANYONE to take you seriously.
I think others have answered most of your questions, so I'll keep this short -
I was hired over the past year as an FO. I, along with most of my class, resigned within a few months. They (mgmt) put on a great show during training about their safety focus, but day-to-day experience dictates otherwise. They hired most (all?) of my class over the phone - no interview. My personal opinion is they are a violation waiting to happen. Lots of corners were cut during my time there. Chief pilot has criminal rap sheet (look it up). If he (or a few others in mgmt) have anything against you - your chances for upgrade are minimal. This didn't happen to me (wasn't there long enough), but several senior instructors warned me about it. It seemed like everyone was trying to leave - or at least the ones who were young enough to go to a 121.
There are some positives - but I felt the negatives far outweighed them.
Just one person's opinion here, FWIW.
I was hired over the past year as an FO. I, along with most of my class, resigned within a few months. They (mgmt) put on a great show during training about their safety focus, but day-to-day experience dictates otherwise. They hired most (all?) of my class over the phone - no interview. My personal opinion is they are a violation waiting to happen. Lots of corners were cut during my time there. Chief pilot has criminal rap sheet (look it up). If he (or a few others in mgmt) have anything against you - your chances for upgrade are minimal. This didn't happen to me (wasn't there long enough), but several senior instructors warned me about it. It seemed like everyone was trying to leave - or at least the ones who were young enough to go to a 121.
There are some positives - but I felt the negatives far outweighed them.
Just one person's opinion here, FWIW.
#56
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
This will be my last post on this topic.
I had a particular experience with WU - one that a few of you apparently did not have.
I responded to a request for an opinion. I CLEARLY STATED THAT IT WAS AN OPINION.
I have no obligation to any of you to bring up the details.
Speaking of - the things that I (and a few colleagues) saw while at WU were dealt with privately. And they will remain private.
The assumptions that a few of you made were - to put it mildly - very amusing. Thanks for the entertainment.
By far the biggest issue here is the inability of several of you to tolerate opposing opinions. Y'all might want to check the mirror.
And to the person who originally asked for our opinions - I hope your choice was the right one for you. And if you chose WU, I hope you don't have to fly with some of these knuckleheads.
I had a particular experience with WU - one that a few of you apparently did not have.
I responded to a request for an opinion. I CLEARLY STATED THAT IT WAS AN OPINION.
I have no obligation to any of you to bring up the details.
Speaking of - the things that I (and a few colleagues) saw while at WU were dealt with privately. And they will remain private.
The assumptions that a few of you made were - to put it mildly - very amusing. Thanks for the entertainment.
By far the biggest issue here is the inability of several of you to tolerate opposing opinions. Y'all might want to check the mirror.
And to the person who originally asked for our opinions - I hope your choice was the right one for you. And if you chose WU, I hope you don't have to fly with some of these knuckleheads.
#57
I find this guy's claim of 100% of his class quitting within the first few months hard to believe. Especially, in light of the one year training contract. Friends that I have at WU tell me the company is pretty adamant about holding people's feet to the fire with respect to honoring their commitment.
Cheers,
G
Cheers,
G
#58
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 461
This will be my last post on this topic.
I had a particular experience with WU - one that a few of you apparently did not have.
I responded to a request for an opinion. I CLEARLY STATED THAT IT WAS AN OPINION.
I have no obligation to any of you to bring up the details.
Speaking of - the things that I (and a few colleagues) saw while at WU were dealt with privately. And they will remain private.
The assumptions that a few of you made were - to put it mildly - very amusing. Thanks for the entertainment.
By far the biggest issue here is the inability of several of you to tolerate opposing opinions. Y'all might want to check the mirror.
And to the person who originally asked for our opinions - I hope your choice was the right one for you. And if you chose WU, I hope you don't have to fly with some of these knuckleheads.
I had a particular experience with WU - one that a few of you apparently did not have.
I responded to a request for an opinion. I CLEARLY STATED THAT IT WAS AN OPINION.
I have no obligation to any of you to bring up the details.
Speaking of - the things that I (and a few colleagues) saw while at WU were dealt with privately. And they will remain private.
The assumptions that a few of you made were - to put it mildly - very amusing. Thanks for the entertainment.
By far the biggest issue here is the inability of several of you to tolerate opposing opinions. Y'all might want to check the mirror.
And to the person who originally asked for our opinions - I hope your choice was the right one for you. And if you chose WU, I hope you don't have to fly with some of these knuckleheads.
I can tolerate dissenting opinions. What I can’t take is accusations without grounds or proof.
#59
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Begging for a crew meal
Posts: 233
Great. Good luck to you. In your "opinion" you make a serious accusation and refuse to back it up. C'mon.
I have my own opinion as to why many FO's quit Gama within the first few to six months. I'm sure none of those apply to you, though....
I have my own opinion as to why many FO's quit Gama within the first few to six months. I'm sure none of those apply to you, though....
#60
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 59
I find this guy's claim of 100% of his class quitting within the first few months hard to believe. Especially, in light of the one year training contract. Friends that I have at WU tell me the company is pretty adamant about holding people's feet to the fire with respect to honoring their commitment.
Cheers,
G
Cheers,
G
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