Planesense
09-01-2016, 04:18 PM
#751
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 119
Originally Posted by Toonces
I know you like to poo-poo on PS because you know and have seen it all, but I'll provide a little perspective.
After 16 years, I would hope that you have decided to fly and upgrade on the jet side, attained an instructor or check airman position, and included all benefits in total compensation. Although all the payscales aren't public knowledge, someone in that position would be north of $150k/year working less than half the year. Not bad for a light-to-midsize jet.
Yes, you can make more money somewhere else, but life ain't bad in 6 figures.
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After 16 years, I would hope that you have decided to fly and upgrade on the jet side, attained an instructor or check airman position, and included all benefits in total compensation. Although all the payscales aren't public knowledge, someone in that position would be north of $150k/year working less than half the year. Not bad for a light-to-midsize jet.
Yes, you can make more money somewhere else, but life ain't bad in 6 figures.
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Wouldn't necessarily call it poo-pooing either. Telling it how it is. It's a stepping stone. Over %50 of the FOs who come in quit when they get their 1,500. They run and go off to the airlines or another corporate gig. Now with the direct entry captain program I don't think you will be seeing anyone sticking around.
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09-01-2016, 05:05 PM
#752
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 111
Originally Posted by Toonces
I know you like to poo-poo on PS because you know and have seen it all, but I'll provide a little perspective.
After 16 years, I would hope that you have decided to fly and upgrade on the jet side, attained an instructor or check airman position, and included all benefits in total compensation. Although all the payscales aren't public knowledge, someone in that position would be north of $150k/year working less than half the year. Not bad for a light-to-midsize jet.
Yes, you can make more money somewhere else, but life ain't bad in 6 figures.
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After 16 years, I would hope that you have decided to fly and upgrade on the jet side, attained an instructor or check airman position, and included all benefits in total compensation. Although all the payscales aren't public knowledge, someone in that position would be north of $150k/year working less than half the year. Not bad for a light-to-midsize jet.
Yes, you can make more money somewhere else, but life ain't bad in 6 figures.
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09-01-2016, 05:26 PM
#753
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 119
Yeah not my first either... think about what 16 years at an airline would give you. You'd be making way more than 150K. QOL is deff better at the regionals. I'd get the same days off at a regional... I get 13 days off now at PlanSense maybe less. I'm guaranteed that much time off at a regional.
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09-02-2016, 07:55 AM
#754
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 68
Originally Posted by ALI G Mmmm
Yeah not my first either... think about what 16 years at an airline would give you. You'd be making way more than 150K. QOL is deff better at the regionals. I'd get the same days off at a regional... I get 13 days off now at PlanSense maybe less. I'm guaranteed that much time off at a regional.
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I'll throw in my 2 cents, let me first start by saying, yes PlaneSense is a great company, great culture, people and airplane. Can you make 6 figures at PS, yes. Their are captains that make in the 90's and almost break 100k in a year, however they work ridiculous amounts of overtime in the summer and throughout the year. So lets do the math, on an 8 and 6 schedule in a 30 day month, you are off 12 days. Those captains are working 4+ days of OT to make that money per month. So sure, go try to break 6 figures here and never be home. The jet program is a theory right now, theoretically it can all work out, but still in infancy stages, not something to make a career decision over. Honestly, anyone thinking about PS as a career needs to make it based on the PC12 a well established program, and then the Jet would just be a bonus. The Jet pay scales aren't bad, problem is you'll have to wait 8-10 years to get on one.
I agree with Ali that the airlines offer a better QOL at home and on the road. I've talked to guys who have left us for the airlines and a hard long day at the airlines is an average day for PS. An average day at the airlines is easy compared to what we do. Airlines offers a reserve schedule with 12 days off, same as PS, then you go to a line and have 14-16 days off depending how you bid your line and trip trade. It doesn't really compare, Sure I know when I'm "off" and 6 days is a row is nice, but 8 days in a row is a long haul. And the 8 days you are on the road with PS you never know what you are going to do, you can't even trust the schedule within 24 hrs, its always changing. some people love that, and its exciting, being scheduled a 9 hr duty day with 4 legs and a lunch break, only to finish leg 1 and see they filled your lunch break with a leg , now you can't eat, and added 2 more to the back end so you are working a 13 hr day and 7 legs...A lot of people are over the "excitement"... in the airlines when you are schedule 4 legs and they try to "extend" you , you say no and go back to the hotel. Anyone who thinks the airlines is such a worse QOL really need to do your research. PS is a great place, but we get beat up, especially in summer. In the winter the days are easier for sure, but the company will just have you sitting around in hotels in PSM if you are remote based. That all may change for you new hires coming in because a lot of remote based FO's are leaving because of that fact.
This is a great place to come as a stepping stone, tons of hard technical flying in a safe fun environment. Lots learned and experience gained. Sadly a lot of us come in the door saying we'll be here for a career and realize their are much better opportunities out there in this pilot shortage environment. PS was a much better job than the regionals back 4-5 years ago when FO's were paid 20 k a year to start and you'd sit reserve for 3-4 years wasting away in a crash pad miserable. That is just not that case in today's hiring environment. Most regional carriers you can go make 45-50k first year, almost same as a first year PS captain. Reserve times are less than 3 months, upgrade to captain 3 years or less and make 65k or more. Its not just about pay, but you also have 14-16 days off a month as a line holder, reserve you have as many days off as a PS pilot for his entire career, there is no change to the schedule, forever you will only be home 12 days a month. And yes there is money to be made at PS. I know some first year captains that are going to make an additional 10 k on top of the 50 k. But they done about 5-6 days of OT over the summer months. Only home for 7 days out of the month. So then begs the question, if its not about money, I'll work the minimum hrs at a regional and be home 14-16 days out of the month. rather than 12 at PS and 5 months out the year (busy season and peak holiday weeks) they are consistently pushing me to edges of fatigue with the crazy schedule every cycle.
Senior plane sense pilots and management are stuck in their bubble, they refuse to see whats out there in the industry. This was very evident when they made "big changes to QOL that all the pilots would be excited about" in April. They somehow overlooked they actually gave a pay cut to 28% of the pilots. Lol, no one talks about that, everyone just talks about the Jet Pay scales, ... Drink drink.... And the company strategy going forward, committed to expanding plane sense via remote based pilots, so the PSM crews get crushed every year, 600-800 + hrs of flying and they carry the load of the company on their shoulders. In the pilot meetings I wish they had a graph of the total hours per month and then a graph of how many by PSM based crews, averages to compare to the remote based. They are all disgruntled and will be leaving as they find other jobs because the company focused on hiring remote based pilots in all corners of the U.S. who will fly 300-500 hrs a year, (excluding any OT), and those remote based pilots all get paid the same. My advice, join this company as a remote based pilot. You get paid the same as a PSM based pilot and do 2/3rd's of the work.
I am PDK based and do fly a little more than the Florida guys and gals, so don't pick PSM or PDK. Pick MSP and you will sit at home and get paid the same as a PSM based FO working to death every 8 days with no break.
Do I plan on upgrading here? Nope, captains get worked hard at this company. Not that I don't want to work hard, its not worth 50k on an 8 and 6 schedule with the ammount of legs we average per day. I can make 50k at a regional and be home more? Sign me up, I have mucho respect for the captains at PlaneSense, some of the best aviators I've met. Its a tough job.
09-02-2016, 08:22 AM
#755
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 95
Originally Posted by NYGiants
I'll throw in my 2 cents, let me first start by saying, yes PlaneSense is a great company, great culture, people and airplane. Can you make 6 figures at PS, yes. Their are captains that make in the 90's and almost break 100k in a year, however they work ridiculous amounts of overtime in the summer and throughout the year. So lets do the math, on an 8 and 6 schedule in a 30 day month, you are off 12 days. Those captains are working 4+ days of OT to make that money per month. So sure, go try to break 6 figures here and never be home. The jet program is a theory right now, theoretically it can all work out, but still in infancy stages, not something to make a career decision over. Honestly, anyone thinking about PS as a career needs to make it based on the PC12 a well established program, and then the Jet would just be a bonus. The Jet pay scales aren't bad, problem is you'll have to wait 8-10 years to get on one.
I agree with Ali that the airlines offer a better QOL at home and on the road. I've talked to guys who have left us for the airlines and a hard long day at the airlines is an average day for PS. An average day at the airlines is easy compared to what we do. Airlines offers a reserve schedule with 12 days off, same as PS, then you go to a line and have 14-16 days off depending how you bid your line and trip trade. It doesn't really compare, Sure I know when I'm "off" and 6 days is a row is nice, but 8 days in a row is a long haul. And the 8 days you are on the road with PS you never know what you are going to do, you can't even trust the schedule within 24 hrs, its always changing. some people love that, and its exciting, being scheduled a 9 hr duty day with 4 legs and a lunch break, only to finish leg 1 and see they filled your lunch break with a leg , now you can't eat, and added 2 more to the back end so you are working a 13 hr day and 7 legs...A lot of people are over the "excitement"... in the airlines when you are schedule 4 legs and they try to "extend" you , you say no and go back to the hotel. Anyone who thinks the airlines is such a worse QOL really need to do your research. PS is a great place, but we get beat up, especially in summer. In the winter the days are easier for sure, but the company will just have you sitting around in hotels in PSM if you are remote based. That all may change for you new hires coming in because a lot of remote based FO's are leaving because of that fact.
This is a great place to come as a stepping stone, tons of hard technical flying in a safe fun environment. Lots learned and experience gained. Sadly a lot of us come in the door saying we'll be here for a career and realize their are much better opportunities out there in this pilot shortage environment. PS was a much better job than the regionals back 4-5 years ago when FO's were paid 20 k a year to start and you'd sit reserve for 3-4 years wasting away in a crash pad miserable. That is just not that case in today's hiring environment. Most regional carriers you can go make 45-50k first year, almost same as a first year PS captain. Reserve times are less than 3 months, upgrade to captain 3 years or less and make 65k or more. Its not just about pay, but you also have 14-16 days off a month as a line holder, reserve you have as many days off as a PS pilot for his entire career, there is no change to the schedule, forever you will only be home 12 days a month. And yes there is money to be made at PS. I know some first year captains that are going to make an additional 10 k on top of the 50 k. But they done about 5-6 days of OT over the summer months. Only home for 7 days out of the month. So then begs the question, if its not about money, I'll work the minimum hrs at a regional and be home 14-16 days out of the month. rather than 12 at PS and 5 months out the year (busy season and peak holiday weeks) they are consistently pushing me to edges of fatigue with the crazy schedule every cycle.
Senior plane sense pilots and management are stuck in their bubble, they refuse to see whats out there in the industry. This was very evident when they made "big changes to QOL that all the pilots would be excited about" in April. They somehow overlooked they actually gave a pay cut to 28% of the pilots. Lol, no one talks about that, everyone just talks about the Jet Pay scales, ... Drink drink.... And the company strategy going forward, committed to expanding plane sense via remote based pilots, so the PSM crews get crushed every year, 600-800 + hrs of flying and they carry the load of the company on their shoulders. In the pilot meetings I wish they had a graph of the total hours per month and then a graph of how many by PSM based crews, averages to compare to the remote based. They are all disgruntled and will be leaving as they find other jobs because the company focused on hiring remote based pilots in all corners of the U.S. who will fly 300-500 hrs a year, (excluding any OT), and those remote based pilots all get paid the same. My advice, join this company as a remote based pilot. You get paid the same as a PSM based pilot and do 2/3rd's of the work.
I am PDK based and do fly a little more than the Florida guys and gals, so don't pick PSM or PDK. Pick MSP and you will sit at home and get paid the same as a PSM based FO working to death every 8 days with no break.
Do I plan on upgrading here? Nope, captains get worked hard at this company. Not that I don't want to work hard, its not worth 50k on an 8 and 6 schedule with the ammount of legs we average per day. I can make 50k at a regional and be home more? Sign me up, I have mucho respect for the captains at PlaneSense, some of the best aviators I've met. Its a tough job.
I agree with Ali that the airlines offer a better QOL at home and on the road. I've talked to guys who have left us for the airlines and a hard long day at the airlines is an average day for PS. An average day at the airlines is easy compared to what we do. Airlines offers a reserve schedule with 12 days off, same as PS, then you go to a line and have 14-16 days off depending how you bid your line and trip trade. It doesn't really compare, Sure I know when I'm "off" and 6 days is a row is nice, but 8 days in a row is a long haul. And the 8 days you are on the road with PS you never know what you are going to do, you can't even trust the schedule within 24 hrs, its always changing. some people love that, and its exciting, being scheduled a 9 hr duty day with 4 legs and a lunch break, only to finish leg 1 and see they filled your lunch break with a leg , now you can't eat, and added 2 more to the back end so you are working a 13 hr day and 7 legs...A lot of people are over the "excitement"... in the airlines when you are schedule 4 legs and they try to "extend" you , you say no and go back to the hotel. Anyone who thinks the airlines is such a worse QOL really need to do your research. PS is a great place, but we get beat up, especially in summer. In the winter the days are easier for sure, but the company will just have you sitting around in hotels in PSM if you are remote based. That all may change for you new hires coming in because a lot of remote based FO's are leaving because of that fact.
This is a great place to come as a stepping stone, tons of hard technical flying in a safe fun environment. Lots learned and experience gained. Sadly a lot of us come in the door saying we'll be here for a career and realize their are much better opportunities out there in this pilot shortage environment. PS was a much better job than the regionals back 4-5 years ago when FO's were paid 20 k a year to start and you'd sit reserve for 3-4 years wasting away in a crash pad miserable. That is just not that case in today's hiring environment. Most regional carriers you can go make 45-50k first year, almost same as a first year PS captain. Reserve times are less than 3 months, upgrade to captain 3 years or less and make 65k or more. Its not just about pay, but you also have 14-16 days off a month as a line holder, reserve you have as many days off as a PS pilot for his entire career, there is no change to the schedule, forever you will only be home 12 days a month. And yes there is money to be made at PS. I know some first year captains that are going to make an additional 10 k on top of the 50 k. But they done about 5-6 days of OT over the summer months. Only home for 7 days out of the month. So then begs the question, if its not about money, I'll work the minimum hrs at a regional and be home 14-16 days out of the month. rather than 12 at PS and 5 months out the year (busy season and peak holiday weeks) they are consistently pushing me to edges of fatigue with the crazy schedule every cycle.
Senior plane sense pilots and management are stuck in their bubble, they refuse to see whats out there in the industry. This was very evident when they made "big changes to QOL that all the pilots would be excited about" in April. They somehow overlooked they actually gave a pay cut to 28% of the pilots. Lol, no one talks about that, everyone just talks about the Jet Pay scales, ... Drink drink.... And the company strategy going forward, committed to expanding plane sense via remote based pilots, so the PSM crews get crushed every year, 600-800 + hrs of flying and they carry the load of the company on their shoulders. In the pilot meetings I wish they had a graph of the total hours per month and then a graph of how many by PSM based crews, averages to compare to the remote based. They are all disgruntled and will be leaving as they find other jobs because the company focused on hiring remote based pilots in all corners of the U.S. who will fly 300-500 hrs a year, (excluding any OT), and those remote based pilots all get paid the same. My advice, join this company as a remote based pilot. You get paid the same as a PSM based pilot and do 2/3rd's of the work.
I am PDK based and do fly a little more than the Florida guys and gals, so don't pick PSM or PDK. Pick MSP and you will sit at home and get paid the same as a PSM based FO working to death every 8 days with no break.
Do I plan on upgrading here? Nope, captains get worked hard at this company. Not that I don't want to work hard, its not worth 50k on an 8 and 6 schedule with the ammount of legs we average per day. I can make 50k at a regional and be home more? Sign me up, I have mucho respect for the captains at PlaneSense, some of the best aviators I've met. Its a tough job.
This guy just nailed it so hard. I worked at PS for a year to leave for the airlines and agree 100% based on my experience. Very curious to who this is as this post earns much respect from me.
-Cheers!
09-02-2016, 09:00 AM
#756
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 21
Originally Posted by NYGiants
I'll throw in my 2 cents, let me first start by saying, yes PlaneSense is a great company, great culture, people and airplane. Can you make 6 figures at PS, yes. Their are captains that make in the 90's and almost break 100k in a year, however they work ridiculous amounts of overtime in the summer and throughout the year. So lets do the math, on an 8 and 6 schedule in a 30 day month, you are off 12 days. Those captains are working 4+ days of OT to make that money per month. So sure, go try to break 6 figures here and never be home. The jet program is a theory right now, theoretically it can all work out, but still in infancy stages, not something to make a career decision over. Honestly, anyone thinking about PS as a career needs to make it based on the PC12 a well established program, and then the Jet would just be a bonus. The Jet pay scales aren't bad, problem is you'll have to wait 8-10 years to get on one.
I agree with Ali that the airlines offer a better QOL at home and on the road. I've talked to guys who have left us for the airlines and a hard long day at the airlines is an average day for PS. An average day at the airlines is easy compared to what we do. Airlines offers a reserve schedule with 12 days off, same as PS, then you go to a line and have 14-16 days off depending how you bid your line and trip trade. It doesn't really compare, Sure I know when I'm "off" and 6 days is a row is nice, but 8 days in a row is a long haul. And the 8 days you are on the road with PS you never know what you are going to do, you can't even trust the schedule within 24 hrs, its always changing. some people love that, and its exciting, being scheduled a 9 hr duty day with 4 legs and a lunch break, only to finish leg 1 and see they filled your lunch break with a leg , now you can't eat, and added 2 more to the back end so you are working a 13 hr day and 7 legs...A lot of people are over the "excitement"... in the airlines when you are schedule 4 legs and they try to "extend" you , you say no and go back to the hotel. Anyone who thinks the airlines is such a worse QOL really need to do your research. PS is a great place, but we get beat up, especially in summer. In the winter the days are easier for sure, but the company will just have you sitting around in hotels in PSM if you are remote based. That all may change for you new hires coming in because a lot of remote based FO's are leaving because of that fact.
This is a great place to come as a stepping stone, tons of hard technical flying in a safe fun environment. Lots learned and experience gained. Sadly a lot of us come in the door saying we'll be here for a career and realize their are much better opportunities out there in this pilot shortage environment. PS was a much better job than the regionals back 4-5 years ago when FO's were paid 20 k a year to start and you'd sit reserve for 3-4 years wasting away in a crash pad miserable. That is just not that case in today's hiring environment. Most regional carriers you can go make 45-50k first year, almost same as a first year PS captain. Reserve times are less than 3 months, upgrade to captain 3 years or less and make 65k or more. Its not just about pay, but you also have 14-16 days off a month as a line holder, reserve you have as many days off as a PS pilot for his entire career, there is no change to the schedule, forever you will only be home 12 days a month. And yes there is money to be made at PS. I know some first year captains that are going to make an additional 10 k on top of the 50 k. But they done about 5-6 days of OT over the summer months. Only home for 7 days out of the month. So then begs the question, if its not about money, I'll work the minimum hrs at a regional and be home 14-16 days out of the month. rather than 12 at PS and 5 months out the year (busy season and peak holiday weeks) they are consistently pushing me to edges of fatigue with the crazy schedule every cycle.
Senior plane sense pilots and management are stuck in their bubble, they refuse to see whats out there in the industry. This was very evident when they made "big changes to QOL that all the pilots would be excited about" in April. They somehow overlooked they actually gave a pay cut to 28% of the pilots. Lol, no one talks about that, everyone just talks about the Jet Pay scales, ... Drink drink.... And the company strategy going forward, committed to expanding plane sense via remote based pilots, so the PSM crews get crushed every year, 600-800 + hrs of flying and they carry the load of the company on their shoulders. In the pilot meetings I wish they had a graph of the total hours per month and then a graph of how many by PSM based crews, averages to compare to the remote based. They are all disgruntled and will be leaving as they find other jobs because the company focused on hiring remote based pilots in all corners of the U.S. who will fly 300-500 hrs a year, (excluding any OT), and those remote based pilots all get paid the same. My advice, join this company as a remote based pilot. You get paid the same as a PSM based pilot and do 2/3rd's of the work.
I am PDK based and do fly a little more than the Florida guys and gals, so don't pick PSM or PDK. Pick MSP and you will sit at home and get paid the same as a PSM based FO working to death every 8 days with no break.
Do I plan on upgrading here? Nope, captains get worked hard at this company. Not that I don't want to work hard, its not worth 50k on an 8 and 6 schedule with the ammount of legs we average per day. I can make 50k at a regional and be home more? Sign me up, I have mucho respect for the captains at PlaneSense, some of the best aviators I've met. Its a tough job.
I agree with Ali that the airlines offer a better QOL at home and on the road. I've talked to guys who have left us for the airlines and a hard long day at the airlines is an average day for PS. An average day at the airlines is easy compared to what we do. Airlines offers a reserve schedule with 12 days off, same as PS, then you go to a line and have 14-16 days off depending how you bid your line and trip trade. It doesn't really compare, Sure I know when I'm "off" and 6 days is a row is nice, but 8 days in a row is a long haul. And the 8 days you are on the road with PS you never know what you are going to do, you can't even trust the schedule within 24 hrs, its always changing. some people love that, and its exciting, being scheduled a 9 hr duty day with 4 legs and a lunch break, only to finish leg 1 and see they filled your lunch break with a leg , now you can't eat, and added 2 more to the back end so you are working a 13 hr day and 7 legs...A lot of people are over the "excitement"... in the airlines when you are schedule 4 legs and they try to "extend" you , you say no and go back to the hotel. Anyone who thinks the airlines is such a worse QOL really need to do your research. PS is a great place, but we get beat up, especially in summer. In the winter the days are easier for sure, but the company will just have you sitting around in hotels in PSM if you are remote based. That all may change for you new hires coming in because a lot of remote based FO's are leaving because of that fact.
This is a great place to come as a stepping stone, tons of hard technical flying in a safe fun environment. Lots learned and experience gained. Sadly a lot of us come in the door saying we'll be here for a career and realize their are much better opportunities out there in this pilot shortage environment. PS was a much better job than the regionals back 4-5 years ago when FO's were paid 20 k a year to start and you'd sit reserve for 3-4 years wasting away in a crash pad miserable. That is just not that case in today's hiring environment. Most regional carriers you can go make 45-50k first year, almost same as a first year PS captain. Reserve times are less than 3 months, upgrade to captain 3 years or less and make 65k or more. Its not just about pay, but you also have 14-16 days off a month as a line holder, reserve you have as many days off as a PS pilot for his entire career, there is no change to the schedule, forever you will only be home 12 days a month. And yes there is money to be made at PS. I know some first year captains that are going to make an additional 10 k on top of the 50 k. But they done about 5-6 days of OT over the summer months. Only home for 7 days out of the month. So then begs the question, if its not about money, I'll work the minimum hrs at a regional and be home 14-16 days out of the month. rather than 12 at PS and 5 months out the year (busy season and peak holiday weeks) they are consistently pushing me to edges of fatigue with the crazy schedule every cycle.
Senior plane sense pilots and management are stuck in their bubble, they refuse to see whats out there in the industry. This was very evident when they made "big changes to QOL that all the pilots would be excited about" in April. They somehow overlooked they actually gave a pay cut to 28% of the pilots. Lol, no one talks about that, everyone just talks about the Jet Pay scales, ... Drink drink.... And the company strategy going forward, committed to expanding plane sense via remote based pilots, so the PSM crews get crushed every year, 600-800 + hrs of flying and they carry the load of the company on their shoulders. In the pilot meetings I wish they had a graph of the total hours per month and then a graph of how many by PSM based crews, averages to compare to the remote based. They are all disgruntled and will be leaving as they find other jobs because the company focused on hiring remote based pilots in all corners of the U.S. who will fly 300-500 hrs a year, (excluding any OT), and those remote based pilots all get paid the same. My advice, join this company as a remote based pilot. You get paid the same as a PSM based pilot and do 2/3rd's of the work.
I am PDK based and do fly a little more than the Florida guys and gals, so don't pick PSM or PDK. Pick MSP and you will sit at home and get paid the same as a PSM based FO working to death every 8 days with no break.
Do I plan on upgrading here? Nope, captains get worked hard at this company. Not that I don't want to work hard, its not worth 50k on an 8 and 6 schedule with the ammount of legs we average per day. I can make 50k at a regional and be home more? Sign me up, I have mucho respect for the captains at PlaneSense, some of the best aviators I've met. Its a tough job.
Agreed waker! NY Giants nailed it so perfectly I had to make an account just to say so.
All you future cronies, all the questions you have are answered right here. PlaneSense is a great company and I enjoyed the hell out of flying there, but NY giants hit the nail perfectly on the head.
I was with the company close to 2 years, about 9 months of that in the left seat, and apparently a lot of people can't seem to figure out why I left. Anyone with the internet knows the airlines are not anything like they used to be. The PS pilots that act as if the company is the greatest thing since LPV approaches are just straight up wrong. A lot of them have devoted their careers to the company, so I guess it's understandable. Regardless, with the way the industry is now they need to at least show a little more respect to those that didn't chose to devote their careers to the company, and be honest with those who are considering it.
"Stuck in their bubble" is an accurate description for (most) of the management and senior pilots, and it is one of the key problems that is dragging the company down and contributing to more and more people leaving. Unfortunately I don't see that changing, and I wish it would because PS truly is a good company and a good place to work. The problems that need to be fixed are so obvious, but those in a position to fix them are either completely oblivious, or actually think the company is so good there's no reason anyone should ever leave. Maybe it's a little of both. Honestly if someone wanted to live in NH forever or even one of the remote bases and have a fun job with a respectable salary, it is a place they could comfortably make a career out of. The jet program shouldn't be something that's even considered for new hires at this point. Yeah it's happening but nothing is for sure until you're sitting in the cockpit, which will take time.
For those of you out there considering it for a career, don't let negative thoughts drag you down. But DO read what NY Giants posted, and do your own research about all the options to make an informed decision.
Before anyone asks, the number one reason I left was to advance my career. For me, the best option to do that was going to a regional airline. Unless you go to PlaneSense with jet time in your logbook, your opportunities to leave are severely limited. Unfortunately turboprop time, while certainly not a waste at this company, is not jet time. Just like flying a CRJ-200 sim for a few hours does not mean you can say "back when I flew the CRJ".... Just saying. In order to open up a variety of options in the future, I needed real jet time in my logbook and the regionals are pretty much the only way to get some if you don't already have some, right? Promises of maybe flying a jet that the company didn't even own was not enough for me. The airline world has been good so far, although I do find myself missing teterhole in a way and that is some damn strange nostalgia. VFR at 17.5 is also something that should be taken advantage of and enjoyed whenever it makes sense. Don't let those people that think the PC12 should be flown like a 747 ruin that for you.
I met a lot of great people at PS and really enjoyed flying there, even on the hard days. Congrats to the new hires on here and to anyone considering flying here, take both the negatives and the positives with a grain of salt, and you won't be disappointed.
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09-02-2016, 10:04 AM
#758
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Originally Posted by ALI G Mmmm
Yeah what he said^ I would've typed all of that if I had access to computer. I owe you a beer. Maybe I'll see you on the road.
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All valid points. There is something for everyone in the airline industry. Thanks all the info.
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09-02-2016, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ALI G Mmmm
Yeah what he said^ I would've typed all of that if I had access to computer. I owe you a beer. Maybe I'll see you on the road.
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