Xojet
#1331
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,951
[QUOTE=multipilot;2647958]
Why the airlines choose not to count legal PIC time is beyond me. That's fine if they just want acting PIC time to meet hiring requirements, but they shouldn't discriminate against logging legal Part 61 PIC time (ahem SWA). SWA has denied quite a few of our pilots solely because they legally logged PIC time as an F/O.
Because airlines like SWA are not concerned with the time you hand your hands on the controls. They are concerned with the time YOU were responsible for making the final decision on the operation of the flight.
As for legally logging PIC time as an F/O...the ability to follow directions is also important. From Pilot Credentials...
*PIC for this purpose is defined as Captain/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot in Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander, Evaluator, or Instructor Pilot. Primary time will only be considered PIC on a specific aircraft after an individual upgrades to Aircraft Commander n the appropriate aircraft. Time logged as "Other Time" will not be considered.
Why the airlines choose not to count legal PIC time is beyond me. That's fine if they just want acting PIC time to meet hiring requirements, but they shouldn't discriminate against logging legal Part 61 PIC time (ahem SWA). SWA has denied quite a few of our pilots solely because they legally logged PIC time as an F/O.
Because airlines like SWA are not concerned with the time you hand your hands on the controls. They are concerned with the time YOU were responsible for making the final decision on the operation of the flight.
As for legally logging PIC time as an F/O...the ability to follow directions is also important. From Pilot Credentials...
*PIC for this purpose is defined as Captain/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot in Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander, Evaluator, or Instructor Pilot. Primary time will only be considered PIC on a specific aircraft after an individual upgrades to Aircraft Commander n the appropriate aircraft. Time logged as "Other Time" will not be considered.
#1332
On Reserve
Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 14
Best Path to xojets
I am trying to chart out my future pilot career and when company I would love to someday end up at is xojets. First of all, I am assuming xojets doesn't hire people whose only experience is getting their 1500 doing flight instructing, correct?
Do people get into xojets with just regional experience, or do most newly employed pilots also have LCC/legacy experience beforehand? Could people from the part 135 arena or cargo arena get into xojets? I'm sure there are lots of variables but any information would be really appreciated.
I also heard that xojets looks at customer service skills just as much as it looks at piloting experience. Is this a matter of having certain experience or credentials in customer service, or moreso a matter of just being friendly and gregarious during the interview? Again probably different case by case but thanks in advance for any feedback.
Do people get into xojets with just regional experience, or do most newly employed pilots also have LCC/legacy experience beforehand? Could people from the part 135 arena or cargo arena get into xojets? I'm sure there are lots of variables but any information would be really appreciated.
I also heard that xojets looks at customer service skills just as much as it looks at piloting experience. Is this a matter of having certain experience or credentials in customer service, or moreso a matter of just being friendly and gregarious during the interview? Again probably different case by case but thanks in advance for any feedback.
#1333
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,951
I am trying to chart out my future pilot career and when company I would love to someday end up at is xojets. First of all, I am assuming xojets doesn't hire people whose only experience is getting their 1500 doing flight instructing, correct?
Do people get into xojets with just regional experience, or do most newly employed pilots also have LCC/legacy experience beforehand? Could people from the part 135 arena or cargo arena get into xojets? I'm sure there are lots of variables but any information would be really appreciated.
I also heard that xojets looks at customer service skills just as much as it looks at piloting experience. Is this a matter of having certain experience or credentials in customer service, or moreso a matter of just being friendly and gregarious during the interview? Again probably different case by case but thanks in advance for any feedback.
Do people get into xojets with just regional experience, or do most newly employed pilots also have LCC/legacy experience beforehand? Could people from the part 135 arena or cargo arena get into xojets? I'm sure there are lots of variables but any information would be really appreciated.
I also heard that xojets looks at customer service skills just as much as it looks at piloting experience. Is this a matter of having certain experience or credentials in customer service, or moreso a matter of just being friendly and gregarious during the interview? Again probably different case by case but thanks in advance for any feedback.
XOJET is not in a position to be particular about how you got your hours as long as you meet their requirements.
#1334
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: CE-560XL
Posts: 127
XO will hire whatever they can get. The only pilots that don't leave are the losers nobody else will touch, and the old, has been retired airline guys.
#1336
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,951
#1337
[QUOTE=Smooth at FL450;2648189]
Because airlines like SWA are not concerned with the time you hand your hands on the controls. They are concerned with the time YOU were responsible for making the final decision on the operation of the flight.
As for legally logging PIC time as an F/O...the ability to follow directions is also important. From Pilot Credentials...
*PIC for this purpose is defined as Captain/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot in Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander, Evaluator, or Instructor Pilot. Primary time will only be considered PIC on a specific aircraft after an individual upgrades to Aircraft Commander n the appropriate aircraft. Time logged as "Other Time" will not be considered.
I get that, but my understanding is that guys are getting dinged for even having sole manipulator PIC time logged in their logbook.
Because airlines like SWA are not concerned with the time you hand your hands on the controls. They are concerned with the time YOU were responsible for making the final decision on the operation of the flight.
As for legally logging PIC time as an F/O...the ability to follow directions is also important. From Pilot Credentials...
*PIC for this purpose is defined as Captain/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot in Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander, Evaluator, or Instructor Pilot. Primary time will only be considered PIC on a specific aircraft after an individual upgrades to Aircraft Commander n the appropriate aircraft. Time logged as "Other Time" will not be considered.
#1338
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,951
[QUOTE=multipilot;2658886]
Then they must not have done a good job of differentiating that time from the PIC time SWA (along with any major airline) really cares about, and it likely looked like they had misrepresented their times to get the interview.
I had a separate column in my logbook for (sole manipulator time) so that it never got co-mingled with true PIC time, and this was only an issue for a short period well over 10 years ago...it should come as no surprise today to anyone how airlines view PIC time.
Then they must not have done a good job of differentiating that time from the PIC time SWA (along with any major airline) really cares about, and it likely looked like they had misrepresented their times to get the interview.
I had a separate column in my logbook for (sole manipulator time) so that it never got co-mingled with true PIC time, and this was only an issue for a short period well over 10 years ago...it should come as no surprise today to anyone how airlines view PIC time.
#1340
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 217
Before you start learning about this company and getting your hopes up I’d advise you email pilot recruiting and ask them if your home commercial airport is “adequate” as they put it. They advertise home base but it’s really not as they use some special algorithm and play pin the tail on the donkey except on a map for an approved airport to fly you out of for work. Apparently my home airport with 30 flights a day was not adequate to hire me yet someone who lived in the middle of the nowhere with only 8 flights a day got hired. They straight out told me I met all their requirements and was competitive however they don’t hire anyone in the area I live due to various airline service issues. To answer your question yes they fly all over the country.
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