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#1921
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#1922
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Monthly credit
I have an offer from F9 and NK but trying to see the pay difference if any… management says frontier pilots are the 2nd highest paid Airbus pilots in the industry behind American because of their credit system. Any truth to this ? It seems like it’s easier to credit a lot of hours at frontier and not actually fly that much, why is this ? With a little hustle how much monthly credit can a you expect ?
#1923
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I have an offer from F9 and NK but trying to see the pay difference if any… management says frontier pilots are the 2nd highest paid Airbus pilots in the industry behind American because of their credit system. Any truth to this ? It seems like it’s easier to credit a lot of hours at frontier and not actually fly that much, why is this ? With a little hustle how much monthly credit can a you expect ?
We can credit exclusive of the override, about same amount as almost any company flying domestic NB. What our company does well (and SWA for that matter) is incentivize flying more than the minimum per month. With the 1.25x override on credit over 82 it makes it possible and rewarding to trade a few days off for more money. It is possible to do about 16 days off per month at about 95-100 hours of credit including the override.
While NK has similar pay scales than us, they get a 321 override which boosts the actual straight pay a little higher than ours. They do not have the 125% override though which means we are rewarded exponentially for working harder if you choose to do so.
As far as premium flying is concerned, NK pays at 200% and we pay at 150%. Our premium pay is subject to incentive credit which is an arbitrary amount of credit added to the pairing at crew scheduling’s discretion. The 150%+ incentive credit is then subject to the 125% override as well which can be rewarding.
That being said, don’t count on premium pay to be something you can achieve with any regular success unless you are willing to commute to other domiciles or have a flica bot.
I am not an expert on NK’s contract so if there’s anything I said incorrectly, please feel free to chime in.
#1924
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Okay i see so basically they add a bunch of credit as an incentive to pick up a trip and then pay it all at 150%. Plus the 82 override. Seems like a pretty good deal!
What about the flexibility i know the 60/70 hours drop but how easy is it to actually drop trips if you want to move a few days around ? Are there usually enough reserves to cover it ?
What about the flexibility i know the 60/70 hours drop but how easy is it to actually drop trips if you want to move a few days around ? Are there usually enough reserves to cover it ?
#1925
EAFF pretty much hit it all. One thing to consider about the NK 321 override pay, however, is that it’s based on a percentage of 321 vs. 320/319 block hours. NK has more aircraft on order and deliveries currently coming, but they are exclusively 319 and 320s. So, as new aircraft come online, the 319/320 block hours will become further disproportionate to 321 block hours thus reducing the override pay. While the 321 override is nice and something I do wish we had, it’s a moving and variable metric. So, I wouldn’t weigh that too heavily in your position.
Congrats on having offers from both! I’m sure you’ll make the best decision for your situation. Always remember that living in or near base is key to money and happiness in this business. Commuting is expensive. Which airline has a (junior-ish) base closest to you?
Congrats on having offers from both! I’m sure you’ll make the best decision for your situation. Always remember that living in or near base is key to money and happiness in this business. Commuting is expensive. Which airline has a (junior-ish) base closest to you?
#1926
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EAFF pretty much hit it all. One thing to consider about the NK 321 override pay, however, is that it’s based on a percentage of 321 vs. 320/319 block hours. NK has more aircraft on order and deliveries currently coming, but they are exclusively 319 and 320s. So, as new aircraft come online, the 319/320 block hours will become further disproportionate to 321 block hours thus reducing the override pay. While the 321 override is nice and something I do wish we had, it’s a moving and variable metric. So, I wouldn’t weigh that too heavily in your position.
Congrats on having offers from both! I’m sure you’ll make the best decision for your situation. Always remember that living in or near base is key to money and happiness in this business. Commuting is expensive. Which airline has a (junior-ish) base closest to you?
Congrats on having offers from both! I’m sure you’ll make the best decision for your situation. Always remember that living in or near base is key to money and happiness in this business. Commuting is expensive. Which airline has a (junior-ish) base closest to you?
#1927
Okay i see so basically they add a bunch of credit as an incentive to pick up a trip and then pay it all at 150%. Plus the 82 override. Seems like a pretty good deal!
What about the flexibility i know the 60/70 hours drop but how easy is it to actually drop trips if you want to move a few days around ? Are there usually enough reserves to cover it ?
What about the flexibility i know the 60/70 hours drop but how easy is it to actually drop trips if you want to move a few days around ? Are there usually enough reserves to cover it ?
As for dropping trips… right now it’s pretty easy, but alway subject to change. Our drops are based on amount of open duty periods on the particular day(s) that you want to drop. We have a grid that shows the amount of open duty periods allowed. In a nutshell, if you want to drop something and the grid shows that there are max of 3 open duty periods allowed, you will be able to drop as long as there are 2 or less open duty periods already in open time. If there are already three open periods in open time then you would be denied. Seeing as open time is a moving target, I’ve never not been able to drop something as long as I’m persistent and consistently keep track of the open time grid. All it takes is someone to pick up something in open time to give you the availability you need to drop. You can also set up alerts to be notified if the open duty periods on a particular day drop below your specified value.
Within 3 days (? I think. I’d have to double check the contract to be completely sure) of the trip you want to drop, the ability to drop changes to available reserve coverage rather than open duty periods.
#1928
MIA is still going strong. It’s still growing and remaining pretty junior. I’d expect it to always be junior to mid-seniority level. Perfect for a new hire.
#1929
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How is the seniority at Miami, Orlando, and Tampa?
#1930
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Not sure what airlines you speak of but you will go right into a FL base here. MCO is a very large base and growing. TPA and MIA are new and still growing.
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