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Old 02-12-2023 | 04:26 PM
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Ok. I am 100% certain of how it works. You absolutely cannot prefer call type over days off preferences. It does not matter how fancy you get with else start next or any other command, there no possible way to maneuver the software into doing it differently. If you do not enter days off preferences, it will assign days off however it wants to. After everyone’s days on/off are established, then it goes through a second stage and assigns call types. That all being said, the great majority of bidders get the call type they want. So it’s a problem, yes but not as big of an issue as you would think.

Not sure where the “contract violation” thought comes from. The contract says:

25.AF.3 PBS will award Days Off to Reserve Pilots in seniority order and in accordance with the Pilot’s bid
preferences. Long call Reserve will be awarded in seniority order to Pilots who preference it. RDPs are awarded
with consideration to a Pilot’s seniority and preferences, but primarily to ensure even distribution of Reserve
coverage throughout the Monthly Bid Period. If Navblue or a successor vendor develops the capability of honoring a
Reserve Pilot’s preferences for Days Off in combination with that Pilot’s RDP preferences in accordance with
seniority, such software upgrade will be implemented by the Company no later than three (3) months following the
availability of the software.

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Old 02-12-2023 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Xdashdriver
Ok. I am 100% certain of how it works. You absolutely cannot prefer call type over days off preferences. It does not matter how fancy you get with else start next or any other command, there no possible way to maneuver the software into doing it differently. If you do not enter days off preferences, it will assign days off however it wants to. After everyone’s days on/off are established, then it goes through a second stage and assigns call types. That all being said, the great majority of bidders get the call type they want. So it’s a problem, yes but not as big of an issue as you would think.

Not sure where the “contract violation” thought comes from. The contract says:

25.AF.3 PBS will award Days Off to Reserve Pilots in seniority order and in accordance with the Pilot’s bid
preferences. Long call Reserve will be awarded in seniority order to Pilots who preference it. RDPs are awarded
with consideration to a Pilot’s seniority and preferences, but primarily to ensure even distribution of Reserve
coverage throughout the Monthly Bid Period. If Navblue or a successor vendor develops the capability of honoring a
Reserve Pilot’s preferences for Days Off in combination with that Pilot’s RDP preferences in accordance with
seniority, such software upgrade will be implemented by the Company no later than three (3) months following the
availability of the software.
See how there’s two letters after the 25. There’s been a loa that addresses this and other pbs issues and I’m not sure if it was the original pbs implementation loa 19 language or not? That’s newer language. Either way yes disregard contract violation.

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Old 02-13-2023 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
Switching from a to b is not a loophole. Every contract out there has the ability to move res around. Go check out jb and dl abilities. You’ll feel better about our agreement. There’s room to improve res. That isn’t one of them.
Everybody knows they can switch you reserve windows. I think you totally missed my point. Again, if you finish a trip and are outside your original reserve window, then sure I get it. My point was they are not offering B window to be bid on. However, they absolutely rely on having B’s by moving Other windows to B. This is not something that’s new, they have been doing it for years. You need B’s, put them in the bid packet. I’m not sure why it’s such a difficult thing to understand. They don’t have to offer B bid because they can just make B’s out of A’s.
I remember when we had B reserves and plenty of pilots were happy to bid it. The loophole isn’t moving A’s to B’s, the loophole is the reliance on it every single day. Shouldn’t be able to move a reserve window on your last day on either. I don’t know why I’m even rambling on about it on here. Every single pilot knows exactly what I’m talking about, because everybody bit**es about it non stop who’s on reserve. Anyways, forget about it. The concept is difficult to understand. 😂
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Old 02-13-2023 | 01:36 PM
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Since we're here complaining about reserve and coverage...

Bad day, worse day trades, we need it.

For those unfamiliar, here is an example. Let's say you're trying to move days around and the day you're trying to get out of is at 3 for RSV coverage when the min coverage is 5. As it stands, too bad, so sad. What BDWD does is if the day you're trying to get into is at a 2 or worse, it'll let it go through. You're helping the company by spreading the reserve low points across the month, and were benefiting from being able to move more days around.

I hope I get called for a survey so I can throw that out. If not I'll be talking to a rep.
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Old 02-13-2023 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingR6
Since we're here complaining about reserve and coverage...

Bad day, worse day trades, we need it.

For those unfamiliar, here is an example. Let's say you're trying to move days around and the day you're trying to get out of is at 3 for RSV coverage when the min coverage is 5. As it stands, too bad, so sad. What BDWD does is if the day you're trying to get into is at a 2 or worse, it'll let it go through. You're helping the company by spreading the reserve low points across the month, and were benefiting from being able to move more days around.

I hope I get called for a survey so I can throw that out. If not I'll be talking to a rep.
Xjt had that if I recall. It’s a nice provision. But again it would need to be BDWD for opentime. Not res. So you’re spreading opentime around more.
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Old 02-13-2023 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboFanMan
Everybody knows they can switch you reserve windows. I think you totally missed my point. Again, if you finish a trip and are outside your original reserve window, then sure I get it. My point was they are not offering B window to be bid on. However, they absolutely rely on having B’s by moving Other windows to B. This is not something that’s new, they have been doing it for years. You need B’s, put them in the bid packet. I’m not sure why it’s such a difficult thing to understand. They don’t have to offer B bid because they can just make B’s out of A’s.
I remember when we had B reserves and plenty of pilots were happy to bid it. The loophole isn’t moving A’s to B’s, the loophole is the reliance on it every single day. Shouldn’t be able to move a reserve window on your last day on either. I don’t know why I’m even rambling on about it on here. Every single pilot knows exactly what I’m talking about, because everybody bit**es about it non stop who’s on reserve. Anyways, forget about it. The concept is difficult to understand. 😂
14 days off please.
I understand your point. You want a provision that has a min number of all res types in domicile/seat. What I’m telling you is there’s several agreements that allow management to move res around much more liberally than ours does. Including moving days off. I’ll be fine with current book on that.

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Old 02-13-2023 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
Xjt had that if I recall. It’s a nice provision. But again it would need to be BDWD for opentime. Not res. So you’re spreading opentime around more.
SureJet for life!

Yes you are correct, it's for open time, but RSV coverage is the driving factor.
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Old 02-13-2023 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingR6
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Yes you are correct, it's for open time, but RSV coverage is the driving factor.
what’s this res grid everyone is referring to? Outside of 48hrs prior to show.
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Old 02-14-2023 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
That will happen sometime yes. When you are on rsv for a 4 day block, they own you and they can do absolutely anything they see fit. And if you find yourself flying a turn out of TPA or PHL as a PHX reserve don't be surprised. You won't be doing that all the time of course but you will on occasion
Slight correction, just to clear that up for the new guys. The company CANNOT extend a reserve more than one overnight. The company cannot keep the ball rolling like they could at the regionals.

100% spot on about the “type” of flying scheduling builds for reserves though.
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Old 02-14-2023 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590
Slight correction, just to clear that up for the new guys. The company CANNOT extend a reserve more than one overnight. The company cannot keep the ball rolling like they could at the regionals.

100% spot on about the “type” of flying scheduling builds for reserves though.
Clarification for my own sake, regarding extending more than 1 overnight. Do you mean within the footprint of the callout (ex: 4 day bucket, called for 3 day but they reflow you into day 4)? Or 4 day bucket followed by 3 days off, and they can extend you by 1 day into your first day off?

I read the CBA a while back during a break in training and then focused on finishing sims so I’ve forgotten a lot, and soon I’ll get back into studying particular sections like reserve. I just want to make sure I understand it and the nuances back to front.
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