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02-12-2026 | 12:41 PM
#1081
Lives in Base
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 405
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You don't think we are desperately trying? Most FOs have their apps out, and have since day one. Unfortunately moving on is extremely difficult outside of random 2-3 month stretches where loads of people are getting in with the top jobs before that window abruptly closes. And us FOs who missed out are now without any realistic avenue to earning TPIC in the next 2 years. Bleak.
You're the reason F9 pilots have lost a lot of leverage. Thanks BL!
02-12-2026 | 12:44 PM
#1082
Line Holder
Joined: Nov 2025
Posts: 248
Likes: 170
Someone angry they are stuck at a sinking ship because of poor career choices. Don’t take it out on the cadets. They’re not to blame for YOUR choice, you would have done the same 10x over.
02-13-2026 | 04:16 AM
#1083
On Reserve
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 42
Likes: 7
F9 doesn’t have the money to pay us more. Plain and simple. If they came to the table and said “here’s a new contract you want/deserve”, we will be worse off than NK in a short amount of time. Is that our problem, absolutely not. Am I sticking up for the company, absolutely not. 100% how this op has been managed or mismanaged for years but that’s the reality. One can say “yeah but airlines plan and budget for labor contracts out 4 to 5 years”. The good ones probably do. We don’t fall into that category. This company is a minor league team pretending to be the Yankees. They don’t have the money.
02-13-2026 | 04:35 AM
#1084
On Reserve
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 157
Likes: 13
F9 doesn’t have the money to pay us more. Plain and simple. If they came to the table and said “here’s a new contract you want/deserve”, we will be worse off than NK in a short amount of time. Is that our problem, absolutely not. Am I sticking up for the company, absolutely not. 100% how this op has been managed or mismanaged for years but that’s the reality. One can say “yeah but airlines plan and budget for labor contracts out 4 to 5 years”. The good ones probably do. We don’t fall into that category. This company is a minor league team pretending to be the Yankees. They don’t have the money.
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02-13-2026 | 04:55 AM
#1086
On Reserve
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 42
Likes: 7
I don’t disagree with you. We should be market rate for A320 family. I just don’t believe they have it. I don’t know what the whole contract package would cost but I bet they don’t have that lying around or have budgeted for it since they can’t make money.
02-13-2026 | 05:12 AM
#1087
On Reserve
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 42
Likes: 7
Someone needs to explain to me I guess how we get a market rate contract from a company who can’t make money (other than a little bit during holiday months) and stay in business for very long. What upside down economics class did I miss out on? Are they stalling progress on our new contract at our lower rates to make a profit (which they can’t now make) and eventually get a decent contract? From what I remember from last go around they started coming to the table when the pool of pilots dried up. They don’t need a pool for a while now apparently.
02-13-2026 | 05:20 AM
#1088
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,686
Likes: 170
That’s what they’ll tell the NMB. They have to cut all cost and rebrand the company in order avoid following Spirit into financial ruin, we’re trying to negotiate in good faith but the pilots are asking too much when we just don’t have it, we can’t generate the same revenue as Delta……….. and the list goes on. The problem is that there is merit to their argument, just as there is justification for the pilots being angry for being paid so much less than others. Unfortunately, the NMB will likely be more focused on what Frontier can realistically do and not what others can and this will drag on for a while to come.
02-13-2026 | 05:27 AM
#1089
On Reserve
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 42
Likes: 7
That’s what they’ll tell the NMB. They have to cut all cost and rebrand the company in order avoid following Spirit into financial ruin, we’re trying to negotiate in good faith but the pilots are asking too much when we just don’t have it, we can’t generate the same revenue as Delta……….. and the list goes on. The problem is that there is merit to their argument, just as there is justification for the pilots being angry for being paid so much less than others. Unfortunately, the NMB will likely be more focused on what Frontier can realistically do and not what others can and this will drag on for a while to come.
02-13-2026 | 05:28 AM
#1090
Line Holder
Joined: Dec 2021
Posts: 794
Likes: 64
Someone needs to explain to me I guess how we get a market rate contract from a company who can’t make money (other than a little bit during holiday months) and stay in business for very long. What upside down economics class did I miss out on? Are they stalling progress on our new contract at our lower rates to make a profit (which they can’t now make) and eventually get a decent contract? From what I remember from last go around they started coming to the table when the pool of pilots dried up. They don’t need a pool for a while now apparently.
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