don’t you think there’s a little more to this story? You wanna do a NYC-LAX transcon, do you choose the ULCC or the big 3 charging $500 a seat? Oh wait. I forgot. We don’t do NYC to LAX. At least not without a connection or ridiculous layover somewhere.

Let’s not forget all the other podunk towns in fly over country the legacies service regularly and with their regional structure. Places we don’t go to, or only go seasonally once every other day.

Well gee. That just kind of narrows down that $500 choice. WI-FI be damned.

 

Actually we have or are about to start JFK to LAX. I did JFK to LAS last month and it was pretty full.

 

well. There you go. I suppose we are recession proof now.

Disregard everything that was previously stated.

 

we will

thanks

 

https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontie...bags-and-more/

Taking a dig at SWA. We are offering the economy bundle for free through the summer. (Free checked bag, free seat selection, free flight changes) Also, all passengers will get a free checked bag if they put in the promo FREEBAG.

Im guessing our bookings are down too.

 

Idk how our bookings are doing, but most of my flights are near 80-90% full. Most are 321Neos now also. Had a few slower routes (such as going home from CUN on a Friday) where its only maybe 40-50% full, but I also had a few 220+ and a 249 the other day from routes I wouldn't have expected.

 

I wonder what the average break-even load factor is.

 

Surprisingly low...

 

Don't know about that.

We've been losing money until this past quarter. We aren't exactly printing money. I think our breakeven load factor is nearly full.

 

Take the profit margin of the current loadfactor, that is the break even load factor (for example: 15% profit, 80% load factor: .80/1.15 = 70% break even load factor). Because if you had 15% less income with the same amount of cost you would not have a profit, so break-even.

But if you are smarter than a fifth grader you will see it doesn't work that way. To get 15% less people to fly you would have to raise the prices, and lighter airplanes use less fuel, and less pax means less bags, so less luggage haulers needed, and less people to answer the phone at customer service (Oh, wait....). How much the price has to change to affect loads depends heavily on what peer carriers do to match. Because of this BE-LF is not a very usefull statistic.

Pretty much the only way to know the break even load factor is to not have profit (or loss), and look at the load factor. I would prefer the company I work for not to know.......

Independence air needed 120 pax on the A320, and they needed 60 pax to break even on the CRJ 200. Took them too long to get enough 320s (or something like that, bit fuzzy after 2 decades)

I personally think the more usefull metric is how much money per pax do you make, compared to the competition. NK has been at -$20 for a long time. As long as you make a Buzzball/pax you are golden.