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Old 02-28-2026 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
If you’re not falling you’re not trying.
Failing 4 times isn't trying. It's failing!
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Old 02-28-2026 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dracir1
Failing 4 times isn't trying. It's failing!
Sure buddy.
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Old 03-04-2026 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
Sure buddy.
If you’re not first, you’re last
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Old 03-06-2026 | 02:14 PM
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Stole this from the United forum:

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/06/united-airlines-ceo-scott-kirby.html

1. United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby said the spike in jet fuel prices will have a “meaningful” impact on first-quarter results.

2. Jet fuel, airlines’ biggest expense after labor, has surged 58% since last Friday, going for $3.95 a gallon on Thursday [and that was before the big run up today (Friday)]

sooooooo…… what was our financial outlook for Q1 and the rest of this year?

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Old 03-06-2026 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by LinaPeru
sooooooo…… what was our financial outlook for Q1 and the rest of this year?[/color]
Rough math from the F9 10-K available on the SEC website.

2025 we used 376M gallons of fuel at a cost of $929M.

229M shares outstanding.

Estimate 94M gallons used for 1Q26 (376M/4). At 2025 prices that's around $232M.

Now, push that price 60%. We go to $3.95 a gallon and it costs us $371M. So around $109M extra.

Divide the extra by shares outstanding and that's an $0.61 hit per share against the negative 1Q projection they already put out there.

10-K also said they aren't using a fuel hedge program.

Unless the prices settle soon, I fear a bloody 1Q.
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Old 03-06-2026 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ginntonic
Rough math from the F9 10-K available on the SEC website.

Unless the prices settle soon, I fear a bloody 1Q.
Thanks for the rough math. I would have never been able to figure that out on my own.
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Old 03-06-2026 | 04:08 PM
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Don't most airlines have futures or contracts to help stabilize the price of fuel over the short term?
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Old 03-06-2026 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cfiflyguy77
Don't most airlines have futures or contracts to help stabilize the price of fuel over the short term?
Airlines have a variety of fuel hedging things, some do it all, some do some of it, it depends.
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Old 03-06-2026 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ginntonic
Rough math from the F9 10-K available on the SEC website.

2025 we used 376M gallons of fuel at a cost of $929M.

229M shares outstanding.

Estimate 94M gallons used for 1Q26 (376M/4). At 2025 prices that's around $232M.

Now, push that price 60%. We go to $3.95 a gallon and it costs us $371M. So around $109M extra.

Divide the extra by shares outstanding and that's an $0.61 hit per share against the negative 1Q projection they already put out there.

10-K also said they aren't using a fuel hedge program.

Unless the prices settle soon, I fear a bloody 1Q.
I got $ 0.48 (but it's still a big hit)....

OT: What's up w/ our ground mishaps??? From the Mar 6 update:

As of February 28, our Aircraft Ground Damage (AGD) rate is 80% higher than goal at 4.54 per 10,000 departures on a goal of 2.50 per 10,000 departures.
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Old 03-06-2026 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cfiflyguy77
Don't most airlines have futures or contracts to help stabilize the price of fuel over the short term?
Yes. But F9 explicitly said they aren't using their fuel hedge program. (Page 13)

Source: https://ir.flyfrontier.com/sec-filin...0076-26-000020
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