This would be a bad acquisition for Frontier pilots from an overall seniority perspective. It would require a SLI and all Spirit pilots would be coming over to be on your seniority list even if only a small number of assets are actually kept after the merger. Frontier could have a bunch of pilots post-merger and not need or have to hire for years. Also pilots who are CA at Spirit will be slotted in at F9 in the appropriate seniority position.

This would be good for Spirit pilots as they are hoping they can slide into someone else's seniority list with some status instead of having to start at the bottom of a seniority list.

 

Hey bro we don’t need a UAL pilot over here stoking preemptive division over a theoretical SLI.

 

Friendly is a paid internet commentator. They have descent/accurate posts; but they’re paid for. And in the they’re case, paid for by United.

 

Actually it would not necessarily mean taking all Spirit pilots. Look back to when PanAm was failing and Delta chose to take only their European operation. Essentially Delta took on only enough pilots to cover the PanAm planes that were brought over. And they did not necessarily come over in order of seniority. Those who came had to be current on one of the planes that were acquired. Anybody who was on the 747s was out of luck.

 

If you’ve never tried to slide into someone’s SL are you even trying?

 

Working for United doesn’t make him wrong. If an acquisition was announced TODAY we inherit all Spirit’s pilots and the assumption would be NOT all their airplanes. The new company would be grossly over staffed and furloughs would come from the integrated list (meaning F9 pilots on the street).

 

It’s more likely that if and when F9 gets involved it happens after NK has shrunk further, which they have stated is a goal in this Chapter 11.

 

The point is not whether he is right or wrong. The point is he’s over here tossing grenades for no reason.

 

So, any SLI would take years. All would depend on the # of planes, gates and routes we need to fill at the time that starts (in 2027 or beyond). Any acquisition would be both airlines operating separately until then - only difference would be that NK is now managed by a different CEO (I'm assuming BB).

Another trigger to be activated would be the JCBA (prior to SLI I believe). In this particular case, it would seem that the new mgt would assess NK's ability to make $ and find a breakeven cost vs revenue spot and furlough to that. Sucks for them. Then, the JCBA would be negotiated w/ both companies and ALL (pilot, FA and Mx) labor contracts would be evaluated. This would, of course, start our negotiations over again - sucks for everyone.

The ONE redeeming value is that all other airlines would be starting their negotiation cycles again (which would probably mean all rates would increase). As to how that would affect us is only up to us collectively as it would give our NC a chance to increase rates to the new (current for the time) market rates - and as you can imagine there would be MANY pilots disgruntled on both sides.

 

You’re also assuming F9 buys NK and not the other way around.