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09-01-2025 | 07:26 PM

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DrJekyll MrHyde

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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes

You’re also assuming F9 buys NK and not the other way around.

Way to think outside the box. Yeah, NK sure is bluffing hard with these court filings. They’re really just trying to position themselves to purchase F9.

09-01-2025 | 08:20 PM

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Way to think outside the box. Yeah, NK sure is bluffing hard with these court filings. They’re really just trying to position themselves to purchase F9.

How much of a cost savings would it be to drive Spirit down to the bare bones and chop up their contract in order to stay afloat, buy it, then merge in Frontier to drive that contract down as well. Nice neat little package.

09-02-2025 | 05:06 AM

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taketheshot

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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes

It’s not the contract that’s killing them brother. They have much much deeper issues. Just put the phone down and watch the news.

09-02-2025 | 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by taketheshot

It’s not the contract that’s killing them brother. They have much much deeper issues. Just put the phone down and watch the news.

Right. The pilots pay isn't their biggest issue. Not even close. I think they have almost 60 airplanes out of service. That's maybe as much as $25 million a month in cost with zero revenue from those planes. Devastating.

09-02-2025 | 09:30 AM

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It’s not the contract that’s killing them brother. They have much much deeper issues. Just put the phone down and watch the news.

I’m not saying the contract killed them, but Spirit is far more vulnerable to chopping up the contract than Frontier is. If that were to happen, it would be lucrative to have Spirit be the parent entity in a merger

09-02-2025 | 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes

Dude. Spirit is burning the couches to keep the house warm. They are not going to be the parent entity in their own fire sale.

The $40/ hour pilot pay difference isn't even on the radar of the people trying to figure out what to do. They have a ton of leased aircraft just sitting around waiting on engine swaps costing them a half million a month per airframe.

It's a catastrophic bloodbath over there. They aren't going to pull off some crazy merger deal with the bloodbath company buying the successful one just to try to save a few bucks on expired pilot contracts.

We aren't that important

09-02-2025 | 11:43 AM

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So they beat Spirit up and reduce costs. If there is a transaction, we will be negotiating a JCBA, so what's the upside?

09-02-2025 | 12:16 PM

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So they beat Spirit up and reduce costs. If there is a transaction, we will be negotiating a JCBA, so what's the upside?

any "transaction" will kick the pay negotiations even further down the road.

When I hear guys say "I hope we merge" I just roll my eyes

09-02-2025 | 12:25 PM

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any "transaction" will kick the pay negotiations even further down the road.

When I hear guys say "I hope we merge" I just roll my eyes

Any substantial delay will roll us into the next legacy contract cycle. Franke doesn’t want that. He’s happy with us being polar opposite. Whatever happens with Spirit (merger, Indigo partner acquisition, liquidation, etc.) won’t have any bearing on our negotiations. I predict we’ll have a TA pretty close to their openers. After that management will worry about a JCBA.