Hopefully they pay people lots of money to figure that out. And hopefully they pay people lots of money to make sure those flights are as close to a 0% cancellation rate as possible.

 

Like Stayontarget said they pay people big $$$ to figure that out. I’m not a CEO or route planner. The difference between us and SW/TRA is 10-14 years.

Frontier is living in an age where the high value routes are highly monopolized by the legacies, who have mega hubs, and a variety of fleets. Any losses are offset by other income streams.

NY-DCA, NY-LAX-BOS-ORD-PHX-DFW etc. These are the big money makers that have consistent traffic. F9 isn’t going to poke its beak in to compete with a 240 pax airplane. We don’t have the gates, departure times, slots, frequency, etc. . F9 isn’t going to start doing NY-DC 3 times a day.

The FAA isn’t going to budge and help a little guy out. They’re not going give anything for fairness.

So F9 has to find left over routes that work. (Seasonally, daily, 1-3x daily, weekly, etc) That’s why you move in and out of markets. That’s also why historically the company line is “we don’t compete with the legacies”.

But these are just some of a dozen other factors at work here.

 

Meh. I don't know...it seems all relative to me.

For instance, we have a gate at LGA. We fly to DFW, ATL (x2), RDU, DEN, MIA, MCO and SJU. There may be a few others. The one we don't do is LGA-ORD despite it being the one of the busiest domestic routes (we do a few others).

https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/20...-routes-in-us/

Given the # of flights out of there, we should be able to do that route 3-4 a day. Why we don't, I'm sure some bean counter has a reason (probably something to do w/ business travelers). Either way, I'm convince our network is FAR from optimal.

 

I was wondering why we got rid of our 319s... Yeah they were small, not as many pax, etc, but there are a lot of routes we could fill them on and fly more of for shorter hops. There is a reason other airlines have a variety of fleet size and different frequencies.

 

319 CASM is high. The reason other airlines have them is because they’re old, paid off and have 1st class, and are slowly replaced by 320neo. Take a look at Airbus 319 order book. Almost zero.

 

Has anyone else noticed our cost to Barry has actually decreased over this contract?

Pre 2018 contract: $180/hr on 150 seats → $1.20 per seat/hr

Post 2018 contract: $270/hr on 240 seats → $1.13 per seat/hr

Barry’s cost for a pilot per seat actually went down 7% if you look at it as the investors do.

 

United is replacing the 319s (126 seats) with 321 NEOs (200 seats). That's 74 more seats. That's a lot more Basic Economy seats that can be added each flight.

 

Yeah, I should’ve said 320/321neo. We’re pretty much replacing 320 with 321s, too.

 

This is incorrect. . UAL is not getting rid of 319s any time soon. They are getting rid of the 320s.

 

A quick google search showed United announcing in April an accelerated retirement of 319/320. Granted with Spirit’s recent developments and United desire to backfill their flying, United could very well have changed their fleet management. Getting back to reality none of it matters to me or anyone else except for United’s C suite.